Daily Pilots Post: Filling In the Blanks

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Hi shippers! First of all, thank you very much for all your great thinking and lovely contributions, I am really enjoying being the DPP driver this week. I adore this fandom <3. Well, we have already talked about your K/L favorite moments/scenes, but today I’d like to focus on the extended/deleted scenes… How do you feel about them?

I have always had the feeling that so much juicy piloty material was left on the cutting room floor… In RDM's podcasts we have heard of a lot of scenes that were filmed, but yet many of them had never been seen… For instance, if I remember well, from “The Passage” there was supposed to be a scene after Kara hung up Kat's picture, she turns and runs into Lee's arms and he comforts her. Also, in this episode there was a scene where Kara and Lee sit side by side throwing a ball against the wall and talk about what happened in UB. I wonder if they were actually filmed.

I honestly will never understand why certain scenes weren’t included in their respective aired episodes (hello, K/L TABFAYW scene??). But bitterness aside, I am glad that, at least, we had the chance to see those –I love most of them, and I adore all the awesomeness that was UBEX. So my questions for today revolve around this particular topic:

*Which is your favorite K/L deleted/extended scene? Why?

Given that my favorite pilots moment is the second brig scene, I guess that the extended version of this one is my fave. I love seeing Kara so vulnerable for once (even crying a little), and the picture of Lee giving her the Aurora figurine –the only meaningful token he had from his father-- as the symbol of his faith kills me. It’s very touching and sweet.
Also, even though it breaks my heart into tiny pieces, I really like the TABFYW deleted scene. So well acted and poignant. I believe this was the only time we see Kara being so honest and straightforward in her personal relationships, finally trying to be true to herself ("maybe I'm just cheating myself", gah!).
And I must confess that I have a huge amount of love for the extended “Scar” scene too, when Kara asks Lee if he can picture himself with a wife, a porch swing and a stinky rugrat pissing on his knee. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I love “Scar” so much.

*Do you consider those scenes canon?

Personally, yes (if they don’t contradict canon, that is).

*Also, which scenes you’d have loved to see?

I guess I have a veeery long list, mainly because I am a greedy shipper and I never had enough of pilots interaction *g*. I think the scene I really, really needed to see is the Kara and Lee’s reunion after the Demetrius story arc. I mean, their farewell was pretty intense and, even though I love their next scene together –that one in Papadama’s office just before they frakked each other senseless on that desk in “Revelations”—, on a narrative level I found it contrived without a previous reunion scene.
Also, another moment I‘d have wanted to see is the beginning of their "fling" –don’t get me wrong, I love the raptor scene and the way we discovered that pilots were having a torrid affair--, but I wouldn’t have minded at all to see how it started. And another one? Well, maybe the moment when Kara met the adorable aberration that was Fat!Lee after the exodus. Can you imagine her reaction? LOL

And, here there is some inspiration for your answers. Discuss! :)

S1 pilots cuteness. Probably one of the most adorable scenes they have together –and the evidence that Lee and Kara shared little routines like jogging every morning.

Extended brig scene. I see this scene as the proof that pilots were far from over at that point –and probably that was the reason why they left the scene out.

TABFAYW extended scene. It's a totally heartbreaking scene, but I wish they'd left the full version of it in the final cut because this is probably the only time Kara actually admits in Lee's face that she loves him more than anyone and should've married him and not Sam. I would really like to know why EJO edited so much out of this scene, since it does add so much to both their characterizations.

"I think things just got more complicated" (UBEX). How much do I adore this one? I really like way UB ends, but this version… I don’t know, it's even more pilots to me, so dysfunctionally adorable (and it’s funny, I feel like it's been so long since I watched pilots… after rewatching all these moments I feel so nostalgic, this scene specifically reminded me of my emotions when I first saw UB and tore me up a little bit).



Comments

[jeeshee.livejournal.com]

Aaaah never seen that s1 scene before! SO ADORABLE!!! <3 <3 <3 Never seen the TABFAYW scene either. I do like Kara admitting that but something about the scene is a bit off...a bit awkward.

- my fave is probably the UBEX pre-sex/post-sex stuff, because it shows more of Kara's affection for Lee which is something that is usually left very understated in the actual show. I do consider it canon because UB was so heavily edited, so of course we didn't see the whole story.

Extended brig scene is also great. Good thing they cut it otherwise we would have been even more duped by the promise of great things to come.

- what scenes would I have liked to see? Hmm. Definitely some more interaction in s4. Apart from that I don't have any ideas off the top of my head.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

Extended brig scene is also great. Good thing they cut it otherwise we would have been even more duped by the promise of great things to come.


Agreed. It would have made 4.0 and 4.5 SO MUCH MORE PAINFUL if they'd kept it in. Bastards. ; P

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

my fave is probably the UBEX pre-sex/post-sex stuff, because it shows more of Kara's affection for Lee which is something that is usually left very understated in the actual show

Oh, yes. I especially love her quiet "I love you too", using the first person pronoun, not as a dare, not drunken. And I condider UBEX completely canon, too.

Good thing they cut it otherwise we would have been even more duped by the promise of great things to come.

I think that's the reason why they left it out. Sigh.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I totally can't make up my mind on this one.

Scenes I love....
TABFAYW extended Kara scene
Extended Six of One brig scene

Scenes I hate....
End of The Captain's Hand

and

wait for it...

UBEX.


Yep. Seriously. I don't like it. Let the hatahs descend. The dialogue is clunky and spells out too much, the random Zak reference is jarring, the Lee's "I had no idea I loved you until now" line just boggles, and ... well... it lacks the elegance of the aired version. Just not my cuppa.

[innibis.livejournal.com]

Agreed on the UBEX. I mean I like it, it's pilots afterall, but everything is spelled out and I hate it when that happens (as you know very well, Miss Bee:)).

Although the line of Lee's that you are referencing and that everyone hates is totally misinterpreted - I never read it like it seems everyone in fandom did, and neither did the people I know not in fandom. He said something like, "i guess i didn't really know it until just now'. That's not, I didn't know I loved you, that's I didn't know how much this would mean. When things are just dreams that you'll never think will come true, you don't really know. Of course he knew, he's always known, but the actually amazingness of getting Kara (that's what he thinks!) - he didn't know how much and how big and how important because he never let himself believe.

I don't really watch extended scenes - mostly because I can't being myself to watch BSG yet. I can talk about it, but watching it withthe end game in mind makes me a little snarly.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

I do agree that UBEX is not as elegant and subtle --and poetic!-- as the aired version, but... I still love the eppy, I love the fact that we had the chance to see both versions. And I really like some moments we got to see there, like Kara quietly saying "I love you" to Lee --the scene in inteself is cheesy, I know, but I really apreciate the fact that she actually says the three words aloud without being drunken or as a dare (not that I think she didn't mean it when she shouted it to the skies, but still...). And even though I love the "I missed you/I missed you too" exchange and I feel like it's the perfect end for the aired ep, I adore the UBEX version. Pilots almost kissing in public and laughing and falling down together is too cute :)

What's the end of Cap Hands, that scene where Dualla interrupts them?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a big fan of UBEX either. I read Lee's line as he didn't know the extent of his feelings for her and that doen's make sense to me after the hangar bay arguement over baltar and the way he kissed her after she came back, you can't tell me he never reflected on these incidents. Although I do like the other reading mentioned above!

I don't mind them mentioning Zak, but they sort of discarded him straight away, which isn't true to his role in both their lives.

I'm also not a fan of Kara purposefully mentioning their night together within earshot of Dee, it seems unnecessarily cruel and since she was the one who left him, really selfish.

Do you mean the Lee/Dee scene in Captain's Hand? I think they cut a lot of L/D scenes and tbh, I'd rather they left some in, just to make their relationship more plausible and show more of how and why Lee cared for her. I think it would have helped make Lee a little more sympathetic in his treatment of her.

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who doesn't worship UBEX!!!! THANK YOU!

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I have to talk about a few of them here. Just one will not do! Especially because almost every pilots scene that was extended shed a better light on their relationship.

For Extended scenes, Unfinished Business Extended is the greatest of all time, yo. I mean there is just so much more in that one, including the important whispered bits to each other about needing and loving each other and then the gorgeous end where he lifts her head and it's like a glowing neon sign saying "PILOTS ARE BACK! YES!" and then they collapse together. (I didn't need the montage of them loving each other at all....I already knew.)

Also extended, the brig scene with the passing of the Aurora figurine. The dialogue is a little different from what is aired and he doesn't say I believe you which I believe is perfect and what Kara needed to hear, so there's points off for that, but the giving of Aurora gets me every time. He gives her the only thing his father ever gave him (Sniff! And I guess he doesn't know his dad got it from Kara.) Such a symbol of love and constancy and faith. ♥

My favorite deleted scene is actually from Razor, even though it's a deleted set in the time after 33. Kara and Lee are sitting together alone in the briefing room, watching the footage of Olympic Carrier blowing up over and over and Lee keeps asking if she sees anyone in the windows and Kara takes the remote from his hands and is like "Stop. You have to stop obsessing over this." but they don't leave and she just sits there and shoulders some of his burden. I so wish that had been included in the show because it really sets the tone for how much they supported and cared for each other.

Another smaller, lighter favorite is the one on Kobol where Kara makes the joke about insubordinate officers and dysfunctional families and Lee and Bill just look at her and she goes "Oh are we not joking about that yet?" It's just really cute.

I really would have loved to have seen that Passage scene where they bounce the pyramid ball against the wall (echoes of Home!) and talk about their relationship together. Or alternatively like you said Cosette, more on how the affair got started because in the raptor they talked about "every time they do this" so that definitely wasn't the first makeout session and I just wonder how they managed--or Lee managed anyway--to not TALK about things first and stop things before they even started.

Also, would have loved (I think, assuming it didn't piss all over everything else) a lot more flashbacks of pre-mini days. Want to know what their dynamic was between Kara, Zak and Lee after that first meeting.

Oh and how could I forget, the deleted scene from the finale. The one that shows them reincarnated and together in modern day New York right before Ron Moore's cameo. We should have seen that one. ;)

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

Oh, great call with the Razor scene. That's one of my favorites too.

I don't know if I could have handled any more pre-mini flashbacks though, given how hamfisted the original effort was. : /

[enots.livejournal.com]

Seconded with the Razor scene. Its a very intimate moment.

*rewatches Razor*

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Oh, well, yes to every word.

(and I was going to include the Razor deleted scene in the entry, btw, but I've had so many problems with the embedded vids --damn LJ!-- that I have finally given up ;)). It's also a favorite of mine :).

[daybreak777.livejournal.com]

Favorite deleted scene. I like this one (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmzpj_deleted-scene-s1-karalee-jog_fun) which is a longer version of the first one you embedded above.

I like the banter. I like season 1. Felix is cute. So is Tigh a little bit with two good eyes. But best of all I like when Kara has to sit down and she says she had a rough night and Lee is all, "Anyone I um, know?" Hee! If he only knew ;-) I love that he doesn't know and she's all hungover and embarassed and they're on the Galactica running and bantering and if I had had my druthers, I would have probably kept them all there forever. *hugs season 1* And it's always sweet when Lee checks in on Kara with the soft tone.

I don't know why I don't like the extended versions of scenes in the later seasons. Some of it is I got the first scene first and lived with it so long that it just feels 'right' to me. Another part is sometimes I like shorter scenes. I don't like Kara and Lee to get too mushy or drag it out too long. It doesn't always seem like them, you know? But most of it is that I didn't like the characterization of Kara much in those seasons. Those scenes, even the aired versions, are hard for me enjoy when in my brain kept beating the the thought, "But who is she?" It didn't matter but sometimes it did. So usually, I like the aired scenes better. Except when I'm vidding and except um, New Caprica moaning. Because, you know, dayum!

Deleted scenes canon? Yep. I accept them all into my personal canon. Except for crazy-ass alternate ending to Crossroads 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DId8c0R54c) when Kara is in Lee's quarters. Because that was crazy! (Though in light of the finale maybe not so crazy, I dunno.) Lee's expression when he sees her there is priceless, though. :-)

Scenes I'd like to have seen?
- Hmm. I would have liked to have seen Lee and Kara the night they found Earth 1. Were they happy? Did they frak again on Adama's desk? Hee!

-I would have liked to have seen them when they got to the planet on Earth 2. Lee was so happy. Before she disappeared I wonder if they made use of one of those fields. Maybe that was her true good-bye.

- Speaking of planets. I would have liked to have seen how they got out of the 'lobby' on Kobol. Did they stay inside of 'Earth' for a while? Another night on Kobol where Kara is happy and right and did what she came to do?

I just wanted to see more of them . . . happy. Not a lot, just a scene here or there.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

You know I have to say that I was always glad they cut those scenes with him teasing her about getting laid the previous night. Because it doesn't fit with his later jealousy.

I mean I guess you could assume it's just because he's pissed that it's BALTAR she slept with, but I really don't think it would matter who it was. There's no way Lee would keep pushing her on the "you got laid?" point.

[rdave1.livejournal.com]

All of those scenes are just adorable and well heartbreaking. I absolutely adore extended scenes and deleted scenes as far as pilots are concerned. I think that many of the pilot extended/deleted scenes actually made the story flow a lot better then what was actually presented. Even those extra few seconds give so much insight to what happened and the reasoning behind it. I suppose that should have been a sign that any significant Kara/Lee scenes were being left on the editing room floor.

My favorite extended scene would have to the brig scene from Six of One. Everything you’ve said above is the reason I love. There is just so much raw emotion, unconditional faith and love that it makes me so happy and breaks my heart at the same time. Simply put, it was well acted and beautifully shot scene.

I do consider those scenes canon because technically they didn’t happen but we never get anything to the contrary of what was in those scenes. Canon most definitely, those extended and deleted scenes were full of so much shippy goodness.:)

Which scenes I would love to see? That could be a very long list indeed! But for me, the one I really would have loved would be Lee and Kara walking those halls together in the temple like they were talking about before when there was still hope and everything hadn’t quite gone to the crapper yet. I would have loved to seen Kara tease Lee about getting fat because she left him alone to fend for himself.:)

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

the brig scene from Six of One. Everything you’ve said above is the reason I love. There is just so much raw emotion, unconditional faith and love that it makes me so happy and breaks my heart at the same time

Yes. And even though we never had a real resolution for that scene, I am glad we got to see it.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

There are too many deleted scenes that I have never viewed! Gah.

In short, I accept deleted scenes as canon. Once I see it, it's burned into my brain, can't edit it out. Just can't. Even though I hate the end of Captain's Hand, it's there. It's canon.

And because my brain is too tired to think seriously about anything except TaBfAYW (curses!), I will say that as far as fantasy extended scenes, most of them would be K/L frakking at the end of every episode possible. That is all.

*hugs all you shippers for your awesomeness*

The end.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

And because my brain is too tired to think seriously about anything except TaBfAYW (curses!)

I've just read your post. TAB is a very frustratingv episode. I can understand the reasons why he rejected Kara but... as you said, Lee's marriage (and Kara's) were a lie. Sniff.

[latteaddict.livejournal.com]

Oooh, interesting topic. And I'm just about to go to bed *pout*

The TABFAYW extended scene is interesting in that if you listen to the podcast, RDM says the Kara/Anders scene comes AFTER the Kara/Lee one. So if you take things into their original context, Kara had that epiphany/conversation about wanting Lee and her to be together and she was just cheating herself by denying them before Sam told her to "go to him (Lee)." Which makes it even more of a poignant action that she was choosing Lee under her own steam. She'd had time to think about what he said in the Raptor on the Algae planet and decided Lee was what she wanted, marriage vows and gods be damned. Of course Lee had to go and throw everything back in her face in the most cutting of ways (and it irritates me that it's okay when Lee suggests divorcing Dualla but it's a shitty thing to do if Kara suggests it) which, if we follow RDM's original timeline, is when Kara calls up Sam for sex and then they have their little bunkroom chat. Kara always seems to act out when Lee hurts her so it makes perfect 'Starbuck' sense that she would call up Sam. And it wasn't a happy thing between K/S because Kara was so self-loathing, which is why she called herself a two-timing bitch of a wife. I don't want to say being with Sam was a punishment, but Kara was definitely hurting herself because in her heart she'd wanted Lee. And I guess when Sam asks Kara if she loves Lee, and Kara's all, yes, no, maybe, it fits that she can't flat out admit it because Lee's just turned her down for his adoring little wife and she's too busy having a moment of self hate and licking her wounds.

The whole scene clicked a little better for me when I saw the extended scene and remembered Ron's podcast.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

You know, I always saw the K/L confontation scene in TAB as the absolute lowpoint of their emotional tragedy. Lee can't forgive and move past what Kara did on NC, and so he takes it out on her by punishing her and withholding his affection-- and refusing to leave Dee. It's the awful counterpoint to her rejection of him to go and marry Anders. It's so painful and unncessary, but at the same time, the emotions ring true and makes sense, as horrible as they seem.

And the opposite of this emotional devastation? The unwavering love and acceptance and "I don't care" we see from Lee in Islanded. That, my friends, that right there is the peak of their emotional/romantic development. For Lee, that was the culmination of working out his emotional baggage. For Kara, I think it was under the wing in Maelstrom, coming to terms with the fact that she still loved Lee and always would, but was through making demands and trying to control the trajectory of their relationship. A true letting go on both levels. And I really dig the idea that Kara's "betrayal" came first, as did her epiphany/resolution, while Lee took the slower path to get there on both counts.

Damn, I need to write an essay on this....

[shah-of-blah.livejournal.com]

Hmm, what's my favorite deleted/extended scene...gosh, there are a lot to choose from. Maybe the TAB scene, just because if they'd had that it might have redeemed the episode one tiny, tiny bit.

The Aurora scene is also a big one, just because what they cut really changes the tone of the scene. Boo. Don't know what they were thinking.

Other scenes that I love...well, I love the KLG jogging scene if for no other reason than it establishes pilots jogging together as canon. Lee is a little flippant about Kara's possible, ahem, activities, but I've always reasoned that away as Lee really not knowing his own feelings (fits with his later confession in UBEX) and therefore thinking it's funny until he realizes it's true.

The Razor scene with taragel posted is a great one too--it's very them, plus it amuses me that Kara looks like she's not wearing pants.

And lots of others. The Home scene, the Scar scene, the Maelstrom scene (although maybe that's an unpopular opinion) etc. Too many to name them all now.

Scenes I don't like...
I don't like the "applecart" lines from UBEX (but I will keep the rest of the extended scene), or the lines while they're hugging in the brig (just can't beat the elegance of "I missed you").

There's also a deleted scene from Measure of Salvation in which Lee--rather snidely--restores Kara's flight status in a briefing. I resent this scene because I had written my own version of it--in which they talked and argued and angsted at each other--before the DVDs came out. Boo.

Do I consider deleted/extended scenes canon? Only if I like them! I imagine that some things were cut for time, and others because they sucked. So I don't want to unilaterally say "all deleted scenes are canon!" No, just the ones I wish had been left in.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

Do I consider deleted/extended scenes canon? Only if I like them! I imagine that some things were cut for time, and others because they sucked. So I don't want to unilaterally say "all deleted scenes are canon!" No, just the ones I wish had been left in.

THIS. : )

[eugis.livejournal.com]

I like the extended cut of Islanded in a Stream of Stars:



"I'm Lee and you're Kara. The rest of it isn't worth a damn, right?" Aw. ♥

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I love that line too, cause it totally cuts to the heart of everything.

And yet...it's totally odd for him to say it. I mean it's very meta and outside-yourself to be like "I'm Tara, You're Eugie."

It's almost as if...THEY KNOW THEY ARE CHARACTERS IN A TV SHOW!

hee.

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

I have the late-DVD-watcher's issue of having watched the extended episodes instead of the aired ones (we never watched the aired version when there was an extended).

I agree with shah that whether or not I consider deleted/extended scenes canon depends on whether or not I like the direction it takes the characters. But then, actual canon sometimes failed, so...

Scenes I would have loved to see? Oo! There's a list!

* How did K/L get from the end of UBEX to EoJ? The "every time we do this" line in EoJ made me want to know how they got from "I missed you" to that-flight-suit-looks-uncomfortably-hot-let-me-get-that-for-you. There was a good scene to be had in there. How do you go from months estranged AND MARRIED to making out in a raptor on the sly?
* I wanted something during 33 where they're all stimmed up and on edge and totally frak in a supply closet!
* It's been fic'd more than once, but a scene where they steal a moment for sexytime during the mutiny (in The Oath?) with gunfire in the background. I liked the one where they were in a crawlspace... *sigh*
* And I'll second the more/better flashbacks of pre-mini. The Zak/Lee/Kara dynamic fascinates me (been the third wheel, had the awkward feelings for someone else's SO). Someday, I'll write the one in my head.

[daybreak777.livejournal.com]

a scene where they steal a moment for sexytime during the mutiny (in The Oath?) with gunfire in the background.
I'm sure there are more now but I once made a recs list of sexytime fics (http://daybreak777.livejournal.com/127136.html#cutid1) written that week. It was one of the best weeks for K/L in season 4.5. I have fond memories of it. :-)

Enjoy!

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

I don't think this particularly counts as a K/L deleted scene... but I'm SUPER fond of the deleted scene from... uh... Six Degrees... when Lee does to Tigh to get him to pester Kara out of the hospital bed... because it just shows how he knows what will get Kara to...well... be Kara... because seeing her refusing to work through the pain, seeing her stagnate like that... just no good... I'm so inarticulate.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

It's one of the few times where he actually seems to truly understand how Kara works.

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Hello! I'll throw in my POV on the questions you all have already discussed so well.

~ I love the "No. What's wrong?" moment between Lee and Kara in the Maelstrom flashbacks. I also love Lee's quiet "I think you got him" after Kara empties like ten million bullets into the Leoben target, and their subsequent argument/banter/piloty-ness as they storm through the corridors and Lee reinstates her flight status. "Let's skip the part where you say this is harder for you than it is for me." - "Okay." - "I mean where are you gonna put me, flight simulators?..." "Kara...will you shut up and listen to me for once in your life?" I don't know, they're yelling at each other and he's treating her like his best pilot no matter what and it's just so *them.* I think it's great. On the other hand, I would leave out the extended talk under the wing stuff; I want the freedom to interpret Lee's last lingering look at Kara before they climb into their planes. I like being able to think that he's not sure what to make of the closure she's offering, that in some ways he is ready to move on and even thinks he has, but in other ways that he can't quite articulate he still doesn't believe that pilot and CAG are all they'll ever be.

~ I love the cadence-early-morning-teasing. It's so adorable. "Woah. Nice hair." and "Oh, so it's like that?" Hee! And to me it doesn't mess up their later emotional dynamics. It makes sense that Lee isn't freaked out about her casual flings, and that he even exhibits a certain sense of restraint and respect about her serious flings (like Sam), but that he does freak out over the Baltar thing because it's so clear that it wasn't about fun or comfort for her. Baltar wasn't a stranger she took home for a good time, he was someone she knew and hated. I think Lee saw *this* sexual encounter, not Kara's sexuality in general, as evidence of her self-destructive side asserting itself, and it really bothered him (in addition to his growing jealousy, which I think had previously been largely subconscious and took him by surprise here). He didn't exhibit half as much scorn and anger toward later more serious rivals like Sam, even in Scar when it seems like his jealous resentful side had every opportunity to come out in a much nastier way than it did (his comment on "dead guys" wasn't in the same category as his "pilot who can't keep her pants on" barb, in my opinion). He gets most mad at her when he sees her hurting herself as well as him, and Baltar was a case in point.

~ For me, UBEX is a mixed bag. I don't like the "applecart" or the scenes of both of them being more directly mean about each others' spouses, but I'll take the quiet confessions of love any day. I think Lee's line about never really knowing the depth of his feelings before can't be taken in isolation - let him finish what he's saying, and what comes out is this: he couldn't fully admit his feelings before to himself or to her, in part because of Zak and their messed-up history but *mostly because* he was too scared to face the reality that he *needed* her, that he was so radically dependent on another person. Before that night, he knew he loved her but he also liked to think he could get by on his own, or settle for someone else, and still be happy. But that night he finally thought he wouldn't have to live that way anymore, and he felt the enormity of the difference, and it made him realize what loving her really meant - that it was about needing as much as wanting, and that he hadn't really been happy without her no matter how hard he pretended otherwise. That's how I read his side of the conversation, and of course her side everyone recognizes as uniquely beautiful and vulnerable and honest. So yes, this I keep as my canon, definitely.

~ The extended Six of One scene, and the extended Islanded scene, both rock, but artistically I prefer the shorter versions. I don't think we needed the Aurora exchange to make it clear that they believed they'd see each other again, and I admit that I *love* the aired version where, when he turns to leave, all she has to do is say his name to have him spinning back into her arms.

[daybreak777.livejournal.com]

I admit that I *love* the aired version where, when he turns to leave, all she has to do is say his name to have him spinning back into her arms.
I agree with most of your entire comment. But this. Gods. I love her tone of voice whens she says it and he totally spins. Okay, now I have to go watched the aired version. Like right now. :-)

This entire discussion makes me miss them on my screen SO MUCH.

[bellaaurora.livejournal.com]

Which is your favorite K/L deleted/extended scene? Why?
I have so much love for UBEX I can't even stand to pick one particular reason why. It's all so awesome. The cadence singing one makes me giggle as well and fall even more in love with them as BFFs who fall really hard for each other.

Do you consider those scenes canon?
Yes, because I tend to believe they were cut for time and not for plot reasons.

Also, which scenes you’d have loved to see?
More sex. :D I'd also have ADORED seeing the day the infamous Kara/Zak&Lee photo was taken. Fat!Lee meets Kara must have been hilarious as well.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

More sex. :D

LOL I AM SO WITH YOU ;)

[lyras.livejournal.com]

*explodes with joy*

I am new to TV fandoms and am so unused to things like deleted scenes being available, so I hadn't seen any of these before. Thank you so much for posting them! The brig scene especially makes me flaily.

Since I'm not sure what other deleted scenes are available, I can't really comment on anything, but I really enjoyed reading everyone else's comments, so thanks again for starting the conversation. :)

[cherylad.livejournal.com]

I found myself sniffling as I watched some of these. The extended brig scene because it was so filled with hope and just again proved that RDM was NOT watching the show his writers were clearly creating.

The TABFYW scene because for Kara, at that point, was as close to as completely open as she could get and I know Lee was freaking out and trying to figure it out (that look on his face *gah*), but I again found myself saying, DAMMIT! Lee! Go after her! Plus, it gave us KARA herself admitting her marriage was a mistake (pre-death I mean, cuz she again said it to Sam on the D but that felt angry and one-off-ish where this clearly showed she'd known it all along)

I hated the deleteds from Captain's Hand. Damned things should have come with a warning label (ick!!!)

As far as UBEX, I really vacillate. I think it makes all 4 in the QoD look like horrid and their decision-making for relationships is proven to be stupid as all get out. Otherwise, it both added to and took away the richness of K&L in it for me. It added because we got more conversation and placed their shouting to the skies into context because it was counter-balanced with their simple exchange of feelings and showed the depth. It detracted some of the simple beauty (I loved the scene in the aired version of Kara watching Lee in the ring from above) and also showed how despicable they could be to each other. And, it really gave me more reasons to detest Dee and wonder how Sam could have been so damned oblivious yet knowledgeable at the same time. Confirmed my "doormat" definition of Sam.

The alternate in CR2 of Lee seeing Kara was stupid, but since RDM admitted liking it and now having the benefit of hindsight - was a huge foreshadowing of the *poof*.

Deleteds I want? I want all those scenes of K&L that I'm sure are on the cutting room floor and will pay for many a college education of they would scrap them up and create "BSG: The Shippers Edition, Directors Cut" ;) Skinny dipping, showers, supply closets, the Old Man's desk, the TAC table, the observation deck, those other donuts runs to the Algae Planet, Lee & Kara in the tent on E2 before we see they come outside to say goodbye to Papadama ... yes and the bouncing ball scene from the Passage where they talk. What? Talking is good too.

My brain is telling me we *did* somewhere see the deleted from the Memorial Hall where Kara walks into Lee's arms after putting up Kat's picture ... didn't we??

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

I found myself sniffling as I watched some of these.

Me too! :)

It added because we got more conversation and placed their shouting to the skies into context because it was counter-balanced with their simple exchange of feelings and showed the depth.

I wish they had left in all the quiet conversation because even though it might be a little bit redundant after all the shouting, it added a depth and honesty so rare for pilots.

showed how despicable they could be to each other.

You know, I would have never included all that part in the aired eppy, but I enjoyed it in UBEX... I dunno, I thought it was realistic and made the making up in the end more poignant and moving.

I want all those scenes of K&L that I'm sure are on the cutting room floor and will pay for many a college education of they would scrap them up and create "BSG: The Shippers Edition, Directors Cut" ;)

Hee!

[acsgrlie.livejournal.com]

*Which is your favorite K/L deleted/extended scene? Why?

Wow, I had never seen the TABFAYW extended scene and I LOVE it. The fact that Kara finally declares that she married the wrong guy right in front of Lee says a lot and I really wish they had kept most of it in. If only Lee could've divorced Dee...
Bu besides that one I love the extended scene in "Island In A Stream of Stars". "I'm Lee. You're Kara. The rest of it isn't worth a damn." <3

*Do you consider those scenes canon?
Yes, if it doesn't contradict any previous canon scenes and if I like the direction it takes the characters.

*Also, which scenes you’d have loved to see?
Hm...I would've liked to have seen their reunion after Kara got back from Demetrius and presumably she gave him back the Aurora figurine.
Like others have said, more of their affair and how exactly it got started from UB to EoJ.
Maybe a scene where Lee comforts Kara after it comes out that Sam is a cylon.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Wow, I had never seen the TABFAYW extended scene and I LOVE it.

No? So glad you saw it then, because I love it too. So much. Love that Kara's is honest enough for once to admit she got married for all the wrong reasons to the wrong guy. I will never understand why they left it out... But dude, I consider it canon! :)