Daily Pilots Post: Filling In the Blanks
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no_takebacksHi shippers! First of all, thank you very much for all your great thinking and lovely contributions, I am really enjoying being the DPP driver this week. I adore this fandom <3. Well, we have already talked about your K/L favorite moments/scenes, but today I’d like to focus on the extended/deleted scenes… How do you feel about them?
I have always had the feeling that so much juicy piloty material was left on the cutting room floor… In RDM's podcasts we have heard of a lot of scenes that were filmed, but yet many of them had never been seen… For instance, if I remember well, from “The Passage” there was supposed to be a scene after Kara hung up Kat's picture, she turns and runs into Lee's arms and he comforts her. Also, in this episode there was a scene where Kara and Lee sit side by side throwing a ball against the wall and talk about what happened in UB. I wonder if they were actually filmed.
I honestly will never understand why certain scenes weren’t included in their respective aired episodes (hello, K/L TABFAYW scene??). But bitterness aside, I am glad that, at least, we had the chance to see those –I love most of them, and I adore all the awesomeness that was UBEX. So my questions for today revolve around this particular topic:
*Which is your favorite K/L deleted/extended scene? Why?
Given that my favorite pilots moment is the second brig scene, I guess that the extended version of this one is my fave. I love seeing Kara so vulnerable for once (even crying a little), and the picture of Lee giving her the Aurora figurine –the only meaningful token he had from his father-- as the symbol of his faith kills me. It’s very touching and sweet.
Also, even though it breaks my heart into tiny pieces, I really like the TABFYW deleted scene. So well acted and poignant. I believe this was the only time we see Kara being so honest and straightforward in her personal relationships, finally trying to be true to herself ("maybe I'm just cheating myself", gah!).
And I must confess that I have a huge amount of love for the extended “Scar” scene too, when Kara asks Lee if he can picture himself with a wife, a porch swing and a stinky rugrat pissing on his knee. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I love “Scar” so much.
*Do you consider those scenes canon?
Personally, yes (if they don’t contradict canon, that is).
*Also, which scenes you’d have loved to see?
I guess I have a veeery long list, mainly because I am a greedy shipper and I never had enough of pilots interaction *g*. I think the scene I really, really needed to see is the Kara and Lee’s reunion after the Demetrius story arc. I mean, their farewell was pretty intense and, even though I love their next scene together –that one in Papadama’s officejust before they frakked each other senseless on that desk in “Revelations”—, on a narrative level I found it contrived without a previous reunion scene.
Also, another moment I‘d have wanted to see is the beginning of their "fling" –don’t get me wrong, I love the raptor scene and the way we discovered that pilots were having a torrid affair--, but I wouldn’t have minded at all to see how it started. And another one? Well, maybe the moment when Kara met the adorable aberration that was Fat!Lee after the exodus. Can you imagine her reaction? LOL
And, here there is some inspiration for your answers. Discuss! :)
S1 pilots cuteness. Probably one of the most adorable scenes they have together –and the evidence that Lee and Kara shared little routines like jogging every morning.
Extended brig scene. I see this scene as the proof that pilots were far from over at that point –and probably that was the reason why they left the scene out.
TABFAYW extended scene. It's a totally heartbreaking scene, but I wish they'd left the full version of it in the final cut because this is probably the only time Kara actually admits in Lee's face that she loves him more than anyone and should've married him and not Sam. I would really like to know why EJO edited so much out of this scene, since it does add so much to both their characterizations.
"I think things just got more complicated" (UBEX). How much do I adore this one? I really like way UB ends, but this version… I don’t know, it's even more pilots to me, so dysfunctionally adorable (and it’s funny, I feel like it's been so long since I watched pilots… after rewatching all these moments I feel so nostalgic, this scene specifically reminded me of my emotions when I first saw UB and tore me up a little bit).
I have always had the feeling that so much juicy piloty material was left on the cutting room floor… In RDM's podcasts we have heard of a lot of scenes that were filmed, but yet many of them had never been seen… For instance, if I remember well, from “The Passage” there was supposed to be a scene after Kara hung up Kat's picture, she turns and runs into Lee's arms and he comforts her. Also, in this episode there was a scene where Kara and Lee sit side by side throwing a ball against the wall and talk about what happened in UB. I wonder if they were actually filmed.
I honestly will never understand why certain scenes weren’t included in their respective aired episodes (hello, K/L TABFAYW scene??). But bitterness aside, I am glad that, at least, we had the chance to see those –I love most of them, and I adore all the awesomeness that was UBEX. So my questions for today revolve around this particular topic:
*Which is your favorite K/L deleted/extended scene? Why?
Given that my favorite pilots moment is the second brig scene, I guess that the extended version of this one is my fave. I love seeing Kara so vulnerable for once (even crying a little), and the picture of Lee giving her the Aurora figurine –the only meaningful token he had from his father-- as the symbol of his faith kills me. It’s very touching and sweet.
Also, even though it breaks my heart into tiny pieces, I really like the TABFYW deleted scene. So well acted and poignant. I believe this was the only time we see Kara being so honest and straightforward in her personal relationships, finally trying to be true to herself ("maybe I'm just cheating myself", gah!).
And I must confess that I have a huge amount of love for the extended “Scar” scene too, when Kara asks Lee if he can picture himself with a wife, a porch swing and a stinky rugrat pissing on his knee. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I love “Scar” so much.
*Do you consider those scenes canon?
Personally, yes (if they don’t contradict canon, that is).
*Also, which scenes you’d have loved to see?
I guess I have a veeery long list, mainly because I am a greedy shipper and I never had enough of pilots interaction *g*. I think the scene I really, really needed to see is the Kara and Lee’s reunion after the Demetrius story arc. I mean, their farewell was pretty intense and, even though I love their next scene together –that one in Papadama’s office
Also, another moment I‘d have wanted to see is the beginning of their "fling" –don’t get me wrong, I love the raptor scene and the way we discovered that pilots were having a torrid affair--, but I wouldn’t have minded at all to see how it started. And another one? Well, maybe the moment when Kara met the adorable aberration that was Fat!Lee after the exodus. Can you imagine her reaction? LOL
And, here there is some inspiration for your answers. Discuss! :)
S1 pilots cuteness. Probably one of the most adorable scenes they have together –and the evidence that Lee and Kara shared little routines like jogging every morning.
Extended brig scene. I see this scene as the proof that pilots were far from over at that point –and probably that was the reason why they left the scene out.
TABFAYW extended scene. It's a totally heartbreaking scene, but I wish they'd left the full version of it in the final cut because this is probably the only time Kara actually admits in Lee's face that she loves him more than anyone and should've married him and not Sam. I would really like to know why EJO edited so much out of this scene, since it does add so much to both their characterizations.
"I think things just got more complicated" (UBEX). How much do I adore this one? I really like way UB ends, but this version… I don’t know, it's even more pilots to me, so dysfunctionally adorable (and it’s funny, I feel like it's been so long since I watched pilots… after rewatching all these moments I feel so nostalgic, this scene specifically reminded me of my emotions when I first saw UB and tore me up a little bit).
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Date: 2010-04-28 02:44 pm (UTC)Although the line of Lee's that you are referencing and that everyone hates is totally misinterpreted - I never read it like it seems everyone in fandom did, and neither did the people I know not in fandom. He said something like, "i guess i didn't really know it until just now'. That's not, I didn't know I loved you, that's I didn't know how much this would mean. When things are just dreams that you'll never think will come true, you don't really know. Of course he knew, he's always known, but the actually amazingness of getting Kara (that's what he thinks!) - he didn't know how much and how big and how important because he never let himself believe.
I don't really watch extended scenes - mostly because I can't being myself to watch BSG yet. I can talk about it, but watching it withthe end game in mind makes me a little snarly.
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Date: 2010-04-28 03:03 pm (UTC)I can get on board with that sentiment, but it doesn't feel like how it was presented. The implication felt more like he was having an "A-ha!" moment which just seemed... off.
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Date: 2010-04-28 03:12 pm (UTC)(I also think that the hands down best scene BSG ever did didn't have a pilot in it, let alone pilots. This makes me a shipper outlier and as such, I am to be taken with a shaker of salt.:))
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Date: 2010-04-28 04:52 pm (UTC)If UBEX had been a story by a fan, I would have thought it completely OOC and never given it a second look. No matter how drunk they were, the yelling of "LEE ADAMA LOVES KARA THRACE", etc, was CRAP. All those lingering handshakes and denial for 2+ seasons and he finally corners her and makes a play for her at what he feels might be his last chance, and... He jumps up to yell to the stars that he loves her? How the hell far did they walk that there was nobody in earshot of the bellowing? And it ain't romantic. There was so much I felt needed to be said that just got run over by this really cheesy jumping around naked and yelling... *shakes fist at RDM*
And the quiet conversation at the end of the flashbacks was a mixed bag. I tried to believe the writers meant what innibis says above about him not realizing how big it was, but that line and the "Because of Zak?" line still just take me right out of it. He says he didn't realize and she asks "Because of Zak?" Did he not realize because of Zak? What does that even mean? Did he try to push aside his feelings for her because of Zak? Different question.
On the good side, though, I love the... awe?... in her voice when she says "I love you, too." Like she can't believe it, or believe she can say it, or accept it from him. It held a ton of meaning for me.
I even thought the dance was a little creepy. The UST in front of everyone, spouses included. The room clearing out once they realize nobody's winning. Months of not talking and they get past the anger, violently- which I'm cool with for them, and then the quad of doom... Such a rich relationship up until they put them together, then stupidity.