Daily Pilots Post: Filling In the Blanks

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Hi shippers! First of all, thank you very much for all your great thinking and lovely contributions, I am really enjoying being the DPP driver this week. I adore this fandom <3. Well, we have already talked about your K/L favorite moments/scenes, but today I’d like to focus on the extended/deleted scenes… How do you feel about them?

I have always had the feeling that so much juicy piloty material was left on the cutting room floor… In RDM's podcasts we have heard of a lot of scenes that were filmed, but yet many of them had never been seen… For instance, if I remember well, from “The Passage” there was supposed to be a scene after Kara hung up Kat's picture, she turns and runs into Lee's arms and he comforts her. Also, in this episode there was a scene where Kara and Lee sit side by side throwing a ball against the wall and talk about what happened in UB. I wonder if they were actually filmed.

I honestly will never understand why certain scenes weren’t included in their respective aired episodes (hello, K/L TABFAYW scene??). But bitterness aside, I am glad that, at least, we had the chance to see those –I love most of them, and I adore all the awesomeness that was UBEX. So my questions for today revolve around this particular topic:

*Which is your favorite K/L deleted/extended scene? Why?

Given that my favorite pilots moment is the second brig scene, I guess that the extended version of this one is my fave. I love seeing Kara so vulnerable for once (even crying a little), and the picture of Lee giving her the Aurora figurine –the only meaningful token he had from his father-- as the symbol of his faith kills me. It’s very touching and sweet.
Also, even though it breaks my heart into tiny pieces, I really like the TABFYW deleted scene. So well acted and poignant. I believe this was the only time we see Kara being so honest and straightforward in her personal relationships, finally trying to be true to herself ("maybe I'm just cheating myself", gah!).
And I must confess that I have a huge amount of love for the extended “Scar” scene too, when Kara asks Lee if he can picture himself with a wife, a porch swing and a stinky rugrat pissing on his knee. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I love “Scar” so much.

*Do you consider those scenes canon?

Personally, yes (if they don’t contradict canon, that is).

*Also, which scenes you’d have loved to see?

I guess I have a veeery long list, mainly because I am a greedy shipper and I never had enough of pilots interaction *g*. I think the scene I really, really needed to see is the Kara and Lee’s reunion after the Demetrius story arc. I mean, their farewell was pretty intense and, even though I love their next scene together –that one in Papadama’s office just before they frakked each other senseless on that desk in “Revelations”—, on a narrative level I found it contrived without a previous reunion scene.
Also, another moment I‘d have wanted to see is the beginning of their "fling" –don’t get me wrong, I love the raptor scene and the way we discovered that pilots were having a torrid affair--, but I wouldn’t have minded at all to see how it started. And another one? Well, maybe the moment when Kara met the adorable aberration that was Fat!Lee after the exodus. Can you imagine her reaction? LOL

And, here there is some inspiration for your answers. Discuss! :)

S1 pilots cuteness. Probably one of the most adorable scenes they have together –and the evidence that Lee and Kara shared little routines like jogging every morning.

Extended brig scene. I see this scene as the proof that pilots were far from over at that point –and probably that was the reason why they left the scene out.

TABFAYW extended scene. It's a totally heartbreaking scene, but I wish they'd left the full version of it in the final cut because this is probably the only time Kara actually admits in Lee's face that she loves him more than anyone and should've married him and not Sam. I would really like to know why EJO edited so much out of this scene, since it does add so much to both their characterizations.

"I think things just got more complicated" (UBEX). How much do I adore this one? I really like way UB ends, but this version… I don’t know, it's even more pilots to me, so dysfunctionally adorable (and it’s funny, I feel like it's been so long since I watched pilots… after rewatching all these moments I feel so nostalgic, this scene specifically reminded me of my emotions when I first saw UB and tore me up a little bit).



Comments

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I have to talk about a few of them here. Just one will not do! Especially because almost every pilots scene that was extended shed a better light on their relationship.

For Extended scenes, Unfinished Business Extended is the greatest of all time, yo. I mean there is just so much more in that one, including the important whispered bits to each other about needing and loving each other and then the gorgeous end where he lifts her head and it's like a glowing neon sign saying "PILOTS ARE BACK! YES!" and then they collapse together. (I didn't need the montage of them loving each other at all....I already knew.)

Also extended, the brig scene with the passing of the Aurora figurine. The dialogue is a little different from what is aired and he doesn't say I believe you which I believe is perfect and what Kara needed to hear, so there's points off for that, but the giving of Aurora gets me every time. He gives her the only thing his father ever gave him (Sniff! And I guess he doesn't know his dad got it from Kara.) Such a symbol of love and constancy and faith. ♥

My favorite deleted scene is actually from Razor, even though it's a deleted set in the time after 33. Kara and Lee are sitting together alone in the briefing room, watching the footage of Olympic Carrier blowing up over and over and Lee keeps asking if she sees anyone in the windows and Kara takes the remote from his hands and is like "Stop. You have to stop obsessing over this." but they don't leave and she just sits there and shoulders some of his burden. I so wish that had been included in the show because it really sets the tone for how much they supported and cared for each other.

Another smaller, lighter favorite is the one on Kobol where Kara makes the joke about insubordinate officers and dysfunctional families and Lee and Bill just look at her and she goes "Oh are we not joking about that yet?" It's just really cute.

I really would have loved to have seen that Passage scene where they bounce the pyramid ball against the wall (echoes of Home!) and talk about their relationship together. Or alternatively like you said Cosette, more on how the affair got started because in the raptor they talked about "every time they do this" so that definitely wasn't the first makeout session and I just wonder how they managed--or Lee managed anyway--to not TALK about things first and stop things before they even started.

Also, would have loved (I think, assuming it didn't piss all over everything else) a lot more flashbacks of pre-mini days. Want to know what their dynamic was between Kara, Zak and Lee after that first meeting.

Oh and how could I forget, the deleted scene from the finale. The one that shows them reincarnated and together in modern day New York right before Ron Moore's cameo. We should have seen that one. ;)

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

Oh, great call with the Razor scene. That's one of my favorites too.

I don't know if I could have handled any more pre-mini flashbacks though, given how hamfisted the original effort was. : /

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Heh here it is. It starts at 1:46. Hee. It's actually more fighty and less supportive than I thought. Whoops. I still like it though and it really would have much, much better set up his choice to sacrifice Kara.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I still really, really like it.

And yes, it would have set up the Kara choice so much better.

[enots.livejournal.com]

Seconded with the Razor scene. Its a very intimate moment.

*rewatches Razor*

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Oh, well, yes to every word.

(and I was going to include the Razor deleted scene in the entry, btw, but I've had so many problems with the embedded vids --damn LJ!-- that I have finally given up ;)). It's also a favorite of mine :).

[shah-of-blah.livejournal.com]

Thanks for reminding me about the Razor scene--probably my favorite part of the extended version!

Also, would have loved (I think, assuming it didn't piss all over everything else) a lot more flashbacks of pre-mini days. Want to know what their dynamic was between Kara, Zak and Lee after that first meeting.
Yeah, there are still a lot of holes in canon. How much time did they spend together? We know that at some point they played pyramid. And at some point there was an incident with that Major from wherever. And of course, Lee bailing her out of hack! Or at least going visiting her behind bars.

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

Yes!! I really wish we'd had flashbacks throughout the whole series about their relationship, especially with Zak! I too am very curious about that Major...when was she all over him? When she was with Zak? After Zak died? But that couldn't have been because they didn't see each other after the funeral, right? Ahh I want to know!!

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

I have always thought that it would have been really cool to have flashbacks throughout S4.5 if they planned to end the show the way they did.

(I want to know about the major, too ;P)

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

I think they should have done flashbacks through the whole of S4. Instead of starting He That Believeth In Me with them in their Vipers, start it right off with the flashback of how they met. Then you cut to that same slack-jawed look Lee gives Kara when she's suddenly back in her Viper. And continue on through the whole season showing flashbacks for everyone. I think it would have been a much better use of time than most of S4.

OMG WHO IS THE MAJOR WHY DID WE NEVER FIND OUT I MUST KNOW!!!!!!!! Seriously, way to drop that storyline, writers. FAIL.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Dude, I'd have loved that beyond reason, especially being as fascinated as I am with pilots backstory. S4 was so meh, with all that cylon stuff I always found boring --and the unforgivable lack of pilots. Blegh.

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

Seriously! And not just pilots, but all the characters. They should've killed all the Cylons and been done with it, then moved on to actual interesting character development and backstory!

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Tell that to all those sci-fi geeks who found UB a non-essential episode because there were no cylons in it O_o But yep, such a waste!

[(Anonymous)]

Do you know if the scene on Kobol is on youtube? I've heard it quoted so often, but I've never seen it.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Haven't seen it online.

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

I'm with you inthe Razor flashback, that's one of my absolute favorites too. I like how it mirrors the scene in Scar where Kara is sitting drinking alone after almost!sex, watching the camera footage. Guh it gets me good.

What scene in Passages with the Pyramid ball?

I still wish that we'd gotten the skinny dipping scene instead of the hose scene back in S1. And that Lee and Kara had slept together in Act of Contrition. I wonder how (if) things would've happened differently.

[(Anonymous)]

"Oh and how could I forget, the deleted scene from the finale. The one that shows them reincarnated and together in modern day New York right before Ron Moore's cameo. We should have seen that one. ;)"

YES!!!!!! My favorite deleted scene! That one is canon in my opinion.

[indigo419.livejournal.com]

There was a deleted scene with k/l in times square? Because I always wish it was them instead of Six/Gaius. Or maybe I read about that and blocked it from memory. Sigh.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Well...sadly that one only happened in my head. :(

I really was hopeful that there would be some kind of coda that "all of this...blah blah" that specifically referred to L/K getting it right. That would have went a really long way in redeeming the poof for me.

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

Oh I had forgotten the Kobol one! That's one of my favourites because it's so very Kara. Cute and funny but with that undertone of seriousness - Lee and Bill are reconnecting and she wants to know if she's forgiven too but can't quite bring herself to ask.

I shall have to go back and rewatch the s1 deleted scenes, I think!