DPP: Vent at Joe's Bar

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Hey, I know I said I was going to post a two day thing? Eh... I changed my mind! :D I'm not sure if we've done this one before but I figured I'm going to go for it anyways. Tomorrow's post is going to come a little bit late in the day and I might do the two-day challenge then, because it's a little involved and takes a bit more time.

Anyways, what are we venting at Joe's about? 

Unpopular Pilots (and other Fandom) Opinions.

I thought some of these might be coming up since we've been thinking so much about the scenes and the voting. Ever feel alone in what you think? Are you afraid to speak your mind sometimes because the other shippers don't agree with your opinion? Well pull up a barstool, get a drink, and spill it. Bartenders are, of course, the everyman's therapist.

Comments

[latteaddict.livejournal.com]

I rather enjoy the flashbacks too especially the moment they first clap eyes on each other, but I hate, hate, hate the pigeon metaphor that goes along with it. And while I love how close and sexy Kara and Lee were drunk talking and all that serious dirty eye frakking, I really feel betrayed (by the writers) by how Kara's greatest fear is supposedly being forgotten. Where in four seasons did we ever get a hint of that? And I hate it doubly so because Ron admitted he put that in because it was his personal fear. I also hate that Kara and Lee kiss and we don't get to see it. That whole entire finale scene starting from Kara following Lee out of the tent and them mixed with the flashbacks was one giant cock tease. Argh! The finale is just so frustrating.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

I hate, hate, hate the pigeon metaphor that goes along with it.

I forgot to mention it, but the only bit I don't like from the flashbacks is the pigeon metaphor... It's not that I hate the metaphor per se --it could be fitting to describe Lee's relationship with Kara--, but I hate that it's placed just before the poof.

I also hate that Kara and Lee kiss and we don't get to see it.

I couldn't agree more ;p

As for the "not being forgotten" line... Well, as I see it Kara was always afraid of real happiness and true love, but I wouldn't say it was OOC for her to say so. Maybe it was sorta contrived, but I can buy it ("Scar" deals with that issue a little bit, as I see it). But OOC or not OOC, I think I kind of love the moment. I read it as a love scene… and the way JB and KS play it –especially how they look at each other– kills me. Also, the confession was something monumental for someone as private as Kara, and the fact that she decided to share her secret with Lee... that's so very telling of the depth of their connection. I dunno, I am much more ambivalent towards the near frak, but that "not being forgotten" moment, I like it.

[latteaddict.livejournal.com]

The scene in itself is very intimate and beautiful, I agree, but I would've loved it better if her fear had been say...the ones I love leaving me. Or something similar.

Kara was always doing the leaving first in her relationships - she left her dying mother, she left Lee, she even left Sam for a while. And it could all be tied back to her father abandoning her. We all found out just how hurt and betrayed she was by that. I just think that whatever Kara ran away from the most would be her biggest fear. Her being forgotten just never seemed one of them. Ron's fear is not the worst fear, but I think he could've written a better one for Kara.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I know it is a bit of a strech but we don't need to interpret her words in such a literal way. Perhaps she was afraid of being forgotten by the people she loved. If someone loves you and goes away, simply leaving you behind, it is a sign you were not as important to them as they were to you since they are able to forget all about you. In that sense, when she takes the initiative of leaving others and forgetting about them, it is likely to hurt less because you are in control of the situation whereas if you are the one left/forgotten it makes you weak. When Kara adopted the Starbuck persona, she became powerful, and often arrogant in her confidence in her abilities. As Starbuck, she wants to be remembered (Scar does deal with this, as cosetteferaud mentioned). Starbuck's agressive, cocky attitude is a front she uses to hide the much more fragile, insecure Kara. While Starbuck doesn't want to be forgotten professionaly, Kara wouldn't want to be forgotten in a personal level. When she revealed her deepest fear to Lee it is possible that she was being totally honest with him, perhaps more than she herself realized.
I don't know if all this makes a lot of sense. I had never really thought about it before because that line never really bothered me at all.

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

THIS. I completely agree.

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

I'm with you on the fear part. We know almost nothing of then-Kara, so maybe that was her greatest fear then. I, too, focus more on the fact that she's telling him what her greatest fear is, more than what it is and how I feel about it in context with series Kara.