DPP: Vent at Joe's Bar

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Hey, I know I said I was going to post a two day thing? Eh... I changed my mind! :D I'm not sure if we've done this one before but I figured I'm going to go for it anyways. Tomorrow's post is going to come a little bit late in the day and I might do the two-day challenge then, because it's a little involved and takes a bit more time.

Anyways, what are we venting at Joe's about? 

Unpopular Pilots (and other Fandom) Opinions.

I thought some of these might be coming up since we've been thinking so much about the scenes and the voting. Ever feel alone in what you think? Are you afraid to speak your mind sometimes because the other shippers don't agree with your opinion? Well pull up a barstool, get a drink, and spill it. Bartenders are, of course, the everyman's therapist.

Comments

[latteaddict.livejournal.com]

Hmm, there are fine lines here. I can comprehend why Lee would reject Kara's offer and not trust her. She screwed him over and he never really forgave her or got over it. Lee had every right to make Kara prove she meant it.

But Lee choosing Dee over Kara (as you put it)? That's the part I detest it. Why? Because Lee negates his entire relationship with Kara to do so. He tells Dee he married her because he was in love with her. Yet canon shows Lee was in love with Kara, wanted to dump Dee and only married her because Kara married Sam? So which woman was he in love with on New Cap?
Lee tells Dee he's in love with her now yet keeps looking over at Kara? So who is he in love with? A man in love can only see one woman. The rest fade into the background.
Lee tells Dee he needs her. Isn't that exactly what he told Kara too? So which is it? Who does he need?
He admits to Dee he loved Kara (past tense). Which says he's already turned his back on his feelings for her. Truth or Lie?
Then you've got a few eps earlier where he tells Dee that being with Kara never meant a thing. Clearly a lie.

I hate that Lee chooses Dee in TaB because he betrays Kara in every way to do so. He doesn't even ask Kara to prove she's sincere, only yells at her for dare asking.

At least Kara never sold out Lee to get in Sam's good books. When Sam doubted who Kara loved/wanted, she merely told him that if that's how he felt she wouldn't change his mind. On Demetrius, Kara told Sam flat out that she married him because he was the safe and easy choice. No lies. No emotional betraying.

Kara choosing Sam on New Cap was what it was. He was safe, he was easy. Regardless of Lee's easy dismissal of Zak's ghost as an obstacle in their relationship, we all know Kara was haunted by her part in his death and that's part of the reason she always tried so hard to keep Lee alive and safe from her. Kara also felt Lee deserved better than her which is why she never held back her friendship with Lee whenever he chose Dee over her.

Can anyone honestly say Lee chose Dee because he was doing what was best for Kara? That Kara deserved better than him? That he was keeping her safe?

Motivation is everything.

[baciami2.livejournal.com]

Bravo! *squishes latte for her superb thinky-thoughts*

I had the impression that what Lee was saying to Dee in the bar was meant to show the irony of the situation. Lee felt all those things - but for Kara. Lee's (well-founded) fear of another Kara 180-maneuver has him scurrying back to Dee's arms, but the words and his heart in that scene will always be about Kara to me.