DPP: The Talk

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Oh Lee, why must your hair look like a madman's at this moment?

So, yesterday, in our discussion of what we would rearrange on timeline's canon, several people suggested that they would have liked for our pilots to just have at least one big honest discussion about their relationship. Back after Daybreak aired, either in the podcast or in interviews, the creators mentioned that they'd thought about writing a scene where Kara and Lee DID talk about why they were never able to make it work between them. I think it was supposed to take place in the tent before they came out and said goodbye to the rents and poofed.

Thus, my question today: What would they have said? What excuses reasoning would the writers have given them to explain why they'd never been able to get on the same page at the same time?

Anyone want to take a stab at ficcing it?

Here's a few creative suggestions:
"I have a secret. This is just my disguise. I'm not really a girl, Lee...I'm a pigeon in a girl suit."
"I liked you better when you were Fat!Lee. Maybe if you gained a few pounds."
"I never thought I'd tell anyone this but...I've really been in love with Hot Dog all this time..."
"My one true love? Noodles, followed by democracy."

Comments

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

This is a total cop-out answers, but I don't think I can come up with a valid reason except that the writers and TPTB didn't want it that way. K/L had numerous opportunities and had matured and grown in a way that could have facilitated that great talk and much more. The only OUTSIDE possibility would be for Kara to explain that she'd be leaving or something, but even then, I think they'd grab whatever chance they had. :(

I would love to see fic where someone worked in a convo that didn't change canon at all but made the whole thing more palatable. That would be an amazing feat. :/

(That deleted Under the Wing bit was about as close as they came and it just felt weird...)

[howlinchickhowl.livejournal.com]

I would love to see fic where someone worked in a convo that didn't change canon at all but made the whole thing more palatable. That would be an amazing feat. :/

Second!

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I was just saying to you on twitter, that I'm not actually sure I want them to have that talk. It's very "un-them" ha.

Even in Under the Wing, the only sentence of their whole conversation that really truly says anything concrete about them is Kara's "I guess that's all we'll ever be now."

[howlinchickhowl.livejournal.com]

I'm a pigeon in a girl suit? Your brain is all kinds of nutty goodness.

Other than that, I think the difference I would make between the emotional conversations they had on the show (because they had a couple) and a conversation that I would write, is that I would have them just not trying to hurt each other for a little while, and just acknowledge that they love each other and suck in equal measures and say that maybe they never will get to be together, but they love each other anyway. That would be my ideal conversation for them to have had as part of canon.

And then Lee could confess his undying love for Hotdog, safe in the knowledge that Kara would always love him. :)

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Lol. ;) I wish I could find an image of a pigeon in a girl suit, but surprisingly google images is failing me. ;)

See, for me, if the conversation was going to happen in Daybreak, they hadn't hurt each other in a very long time. Not since before Kara died, and the final two seasons, when they did have moments together they were ALWAYS ALWAYS about supporting each other and believing in each other and loving each other. So if the convo were to come in Daybreak, it's even harder to make a valid reason for why they shouldn't make a go of it. Other than her poofing.

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

LOL! Noodles, then democracy, indeed!

I need to think some on this. You're asking what scene the writers would have written, but I'm torn about wanting to give sci_fi_shipper her canon, palatable explanation.

Final Moments

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Kara stands in the wide green field, her blond hair whipping into her face. The warmth of the day and the possibilities of this new planet tumble through Lee's mind. They've finally made it to Earth, or some planet close enough to bear its name.

"He's not coming back this time," Lee says, his eyes still seeking out some faint raptor trail along the horizon.

"No he's not. And neither am I." She lets her eyes linger on him for only a moment before she turns away.

"Why, where are you going?" He doesn't understand, but something in his gut tells him she means it.

"I'm not sure, I just know I'm done here and it feels good." Her face is filled with some light and peace he'd never seen in her before. Gone are the harsh lines of a troubled woman, the woman he's love for so many years.

Lee steps towards her, his face sad and she shifts in place, setting them slightly apart and asks what he's going to do now that it's the first day of the rest of his life.

Lee stares at her for along moment and thinks about answering, but stays silent, watching her.

She gives him a sidelong glance. "Stop staring, Lee. It's rude."

He chuckles and digs his hands deeper into his pockets. "Are you really leaving? Now?"

"I don't know when. I just know that everything I've been doing since the I came back from the dead has led me to this moment. This field. I've seen it in my head."

"And then what? You're in the field and then you're not?"

One side of her mouth rises in a half-smile. "Something like that."

They stand for a few minutes, silent, watching the animals and the tall grass as it bends under the wind.

Finally, Lee speaks, believing that soon she would be gone. "You know, I always thought when we found this place that I'd want to do as little as humanly possible."

"And now...?"

"Now? Well, I'm not sure I want to do anything. I thought you'd be here with me, doing as little as possible, too."

Kara laughs. "Yeah, well, the gods have a different idea."

Lee sobers, his mind going back to a time when he didn't believe in the gods.

Beside him, Kara sighs. "They had a different plan for me, Lee."

"And it didn't include us..." he offers sadly.

Kara shakes her head. "No. We had our chance before I died and we screwed it up." She chuckles to ease the tension. "Seems just like us, right? Frakking it up all down the line."

"Hey, speak for yourself," he argues.

She raises an eyebrow. "Mmmhmm. I seem to remember someone picking his wife in a bar..."

Lee digs his hands deeper into his pockets and tips back on his heels. "Well..."

Kara's eyes linger on him and then swing away again. "We were friends, though, right?"

"Yeah. The best of friends, Kara... I love you, you know. Even if you are a first grade frak up."

"Sweep me off my feet, why don't you, Lee." She reaches out and smacks him. He jumps back a little and they laugh.

There's more silence between them and Lee feels like time is speeding by and frozen at the same time.

"I'll see you on the other side, Lee. I'll be there, okay?" She gives him a look of promise and he nods.

She's more beautiful than he remembers, standing on the field in her last moments. When he looks away and back again, she is gone. A sense of unexpected peace settles around him. He knows in his gut that she's going to be okay.

And so is he.

Re: Final Moments

[kag523.livejournal.com]

*happy sad sigh*

I could have accepted this ending with open arms. Thank you for this. *hugs* K :>)

Re: Final Moments

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

This is absolutely heartbreaking. *hugs*

[mserrada.livejournal.com]

Yes, this should have been the scene. It was them in so many ways.

Now I'm off to the shower to scrub the tears away!

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

*hands tissues* They deserved a better ending.

[kag523.livejournal.com]

*staticky crackle*

Me: "...and if you WANT to leave things unexplained, Mr. Moore, then might I suggest NOT actually tying things up in a neat frakking bow by slamming the last nail into the coffin. I have the footage right here. See? Just cut this part. Hold on, hold on. *sighs* It's rendering. Give me a second. Oh! There we go. Now watch this."

Lee: 'He's not coming back this time, is he?'

Kara: 'No, no he's not...'

[Cut to Lee staring out at the prairies. There is grass blowing in the wind and the faintest sound of a raptor fading in the distance]

[Cut back to Kara; she's watching Lee with a half-sad smile on her lips]

Kara: 'So what about you? What are you going to do? Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee."

[Cut to Lee. He turns to her and grins. End scene.]

"See? No poof. No unexplained phenomenon. You still get your 'artistic' ending and I don't have people emailing me death threats."

*uncomfortable pause*

"But I want a pigeon."

[kag523.livejournal.com]

(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/No%20Takebacks/?action=view&current=ronmoore.jpg)

Apparently I'm not done ranting... 1/3

[kag523.livejournal.com]

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Apparently I'm not done ranting... 2/3

[kag523.livejournal.com]

(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/No%20Takebacks/?action=view&current=LastDay2.jpg)

Apparently I'm not done ranting... 3/3

[kag523.livejournal.com]

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Re: Apparently I'm not done ranting... 3/3

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I will never NOT love this. *beams proudly*

[bouncy-nut.livejournal.com]

I want something along the lines of them discussing the way that their circumstances defined their choices. Maybe Kara says something like . . .

we were a train wreck waiting to happen even before the world's ended, Lee. For us to make it here, to this place, to Earth, it took everything strong inside of us. We didn't have the chance to fix humanity and each other too. Something bigger than us demanded a sacrifice. I guess that sacrifice was us. But all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again. And maybe then, maybe one day, we'll get the chance to get it right.

And I guess then if I'm leaving canon canon, she can poof. and I'd keep my grumbling to a minimum . . . maybe.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

That's...not a bad rationale I guess. I mean if there had to be one. And yes, more than anything, if they had to end this way, I wish there'd been some hint, however vague that they'd get it right in the future. Sigh.

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

I don't remember hearing they had planned to do such a thing. It wasn't in the podcasts. Though this is something they would do. Have a good idea for them, and not follow through with it.

If they had, it would have made it more palatable. K&S had a little scene together and that made it more palatable for them, so why not Lee and Kara?

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

It might have been an interview then? Maybe one of the long ones Ron did answering qs.

[embolalia.livejournal.com]

“You know what the best part is about this, the diaspora?”

Kara looks at him warily. “I’m not sure there is a best part, Lee. You really think they’ll even make it?”

“They will,” he says, with so much of the idealism he once had that she can’t help smiling. “The best part, Kara, is that this way I’m not going to be the president and you’re not going to be the CAG. We can just be people. Finally.” He’s grinning at her as he steps closer and rests his hands on her shoulders.

Her heart aches as Kara slowly shakes her head. “I can’t,” she says.

His eyes darken with intensity. “We’ve run away from this so many times,” Lee says, his fingers tightening. “But I love you, Kara Thrace. And I know you love me.”

She swallows hard. “I can’t be just a person, Lee,” Kara says softly. “I know you don’t want to see it, but I haven’t been for a long time now.”

Lee looks suddenly terrified, and she reaches up to rest her hands on his chest.

“Remember when we flew together?” she asks quietly, her voice near to breaking, “Over the storm? And I was so scared but you made me feel safe?”

“Copasetic,” he murmurs.

“Kara Thrace died loving you. But I’m not that girl, I’m something else. And I can’t stay.”

Lee’s hand cups her face as his eyes fill with tears. He opens his mouth as if to protest, but there’s nothing he can say to that.

The part of her that was Kara, the part that remembers loving Lee Adama, can’t stand his pain. She wraps her arms around him, holds on to him for all she’s worth as his tears run down his cheek and onto hers.

“They’re leaving!” someone calls out from across the tent, and they both turn, look through the flap to where Adama is carrying Roslin toward a raptor.

Kara pulls back, then takes Lee’s hand and squeezes it tightly in hers as she leads him out. “Let’s go say good-bye.”

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Kara Thrace died loving you.

Awww. Sniff.

[bouncy-nut.livejournal.com]

Because I hate ALL of Kara's dialogue in that final scene I'm rewriting it without changing the final outcome. But Kara Thrace would not say "I've completed my journey and it feels good." Umm. . . no. Lame. Super, Uber, Mega Corny Lameness.

"Where are you going." He asked in surprise.

"I don't know, Lee. Away. Somewhere else." For someone who'd just saved her race, she looked sad. He hated that even now, in the bright rays of a shining sun, she was surrounded by a dark unspoken fatalism.

"No." He croaked, his voice catching in emotion. "Please Kara, not now. We finally did it. We can just be us now. We're here and that's all that matters."

She reached out to cup his face. (insert Islanded in a Stream of Stars clip of him touching her face) "I have to, Lee. The mission's over. I died. I got some extra time for good behavior, but I told you before . . . there's no takebacks. Not from that." A solitary tear slips from her eye as he falls to his knees before her and his arms encircle her waist, clinging to her in sheer desperation. Willing to fight the God's single handedly to keep her.

"No. No please don't go. Everything we've given up. Everything we've lost. For this. To get here. They can wait Godsdammit! I need you. I need you here, Kara. Finally . . . Gods, Kara . . . we're finally . . . I don't want to be here without you."

She dropped to him. Kneeling face to face she comforted him with her touch. Foreheads kissing gently. Fingers threaded tightly. "You still have more to do, Lee. As much as you need me, they all still need you more. Fighting and flying was who I was. That's all gone now. It's up to you to go build a life out there."

He moved to interrupt her but she hushed him with a finger to his lips. "And one day you'll be done too, Lee. And then . . . well then I'll be there to welcome you home. We all will." When she moved to pull away, he fought her, his arms a vice around her body. "I have to go, Lee. And all our stubborn denials won't change it, but just know that of everything, you're the thing I'll miss." She dropped a soft kiss to his trembling lips and stood.

He couldn't lift his head to watch her disappear. He was too overcome, "Good Luck on your Journey, Kara Thrace."

She smiled down as she faded from the world she'd led her people to. "Hey Lee? Your fly's still open."

[kag523.livejournal.com]

*swallows*

Gah. I'm all choked up with this scene. Certainly it gives more closure, but it tears at me. Lovely. *sniff* Just lovely. :>S

Talking is overrated anyway...

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I have really enjoyed all the goodbye scenes people have come up with. Any of them would have been so much better than what we actually got. *sighs*

However, I didn't really miss a "talk". I wanted my happy ending, damn it!! Yes, life sucks and bad things happen to good people ... bla bla bla... So what? Considering the whole point for the show how they got to a new beginning, why couldn't they have a shot at that that didn't mean in another plane of existence, one day, maybe, whatever? IT WAS JUST NOT RIGHT!!!!!!

As for the talk, well if the end result would be the same, then I think there was nothing left to say really (other than a decent goodbye). They both really knew by then why they had never worked things out between them. And their communication was more nonverbal than verbal most of the time anyway. And if they had got their chance, then again, I don't think a long talk would have been necessary or that it would have felt in character. A little banter, a long meaningful look/touch, a few perfect words and their life together would be it. And it would be perfect. *runs to find some chocolate to drown my sorrow after this*

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

This post is tearing me up. Seriously. My poor, tragic and doomed OTP *sigh* Given that I have been in an accepting mood lately, I realize I could have lived with any of this lovely goodbye scenes the fellow shippers have written. Anything but the nothingness. That being said, though, if there were to be a talk, I’d have preferred it to happen way sooner --maybe when Kara came back from the mission on the Demetrius (I actually can’t believe that we never got a scene between them when she came back to the fleet –especially after what happened in the brig. I know they cut the Aurora figurine part –probably because the writers were done with K/L at that point--, but it would have been great to see how Kara eventually gave it back to him). But anyway... Said "talk" wouldn’t have been about why they never could make it work but about why they didn’t give it a chance. Because right then, I think they were on the same page and the only one thing for them to do, the natural thing, was to get together and frak a lot and just be in love and happy (for a while, at least).

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Said "talk" wouldn’t have been about why they never could make it work but about why they didn’t give it a chance. Because right then, I think they were on the same page and the only one thing for them to do, the natural thing, was to get together and frak a lot and just be in love and happy (for a while, at least).

I agree with this. They were ready. Frak RDM and the writers. :(

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

I kind of want to change my user name to "noodles, followed by democracy" now.

And also, this fandom is wonderful and I kind of want to make out with all of you right now.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

*gives you sloppy kisses*

Awesome, right??

[rdave1.livejournal.com]

I would just like to say bravo to all of you lovely people who gave us these alternate ends! They are lovely and making me sob!

You all rock!

[amaliak.livejournal.com]

"So, what do you think?"

Kara stopped and glanced over at Lee, standing with his back to her, looking down at some of the plans that had been left behind.

She resisted the urge to heave a deep sigh, something that she normally didn't like to do. Instead, she answered, "What do I think about what?"

"About..." he gestured his hand over the plans vaguely. "Earth, Kara." He let out a chuckle of laughter, a bubbling sound that she could tell that he was still trying to control, still trying to keep wrapped inside because he was too afraid to believe it all just yet. He turned to look at her, his eyes sincere and searching.

Always searching.

She has to look away, allowing herself to smile a little bit. "It's real, Lee." She reached over to give his arm a hard pinch.

"OW!" he yelled in surprise, grabbing her wrist.

Kara laughed, relieved when he followed suit, the sound becoming better and better.

Their laughter was stilled, Lee still holding on to her wrist. His eyes were there again, searching hers, and standing less than a foot away from him, she decided to let him.

"Kara..." he started, licking his lips, and giving her a look at would have had her running before. "Kara, I just wanted to tell you..."

He stumbled a bit, laughing nervously, and rubbing his thumb unconsciously over her wrist, her hand now pressed against his chest. She waited.

"Nothing's changed, Kara," he went on, finding her eyes again. "I meant what I said before. Nothing else matters. Just...you and me. That's what I believe in. That's what I'll always believe in."

She smiled at him, letting her forehead lean against his for a second. "Yeah. Me too."

She wasn't sure how long they'd stood there, the grass of Earth beneath their feet, before she let her face pull into a wicked smile.

"But I still think that sending the technology into the sun was the worst move ever," she said, and felt him laugh. "Seriously, Lee. You are the worst president in the history of presidents."

"Stow it."

[bouncy-nut.livejournal.com]

love it! heavy and light at the same time. perfect for those two silly pilots.

[deborah-judge.livejournal.com]

"I'm not coming back. But, Lee, you could come with me. Lord Apollo has been missing from Mount Olympos for long enough."

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Hee!

[justascrewup2.livejournal.com]

*sigh* Loved all of the material from everyone, but I'm done with the ripping the bandaid off. Time to go back into denial land, where the poof never happened and K/L are sexing, fighting, challenging and loving each other forever.