DPP: (Almost)Anything Goes!

[stripes13.livejournal.com]

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[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Jumping in here on a slight tangent:

"You were doing what you always did. Buck authority, and get away with it. I bucked authority once, and I almost lost everything. And here you were, doing it all over again. I dunno ~ it pissed me off. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?"

These lines always seemed a bit off for me. I always thought Lee was actually angry about her shooting him and never coming to see him about it. So those lines seem like he's pretending or just bad writing. Anyone else get that sense?

[baciami2.livejournal.com]

I think this actually did piss Lee off, that is, Kara gets away with everything, even promoted, and Lee gets screwed.

The REAL REASON was Kara not coming to see him after she shot him. I don't believe he's that mad about her shooting him - it was a mistake after all.

But then, if she had agreed to a relationship back in Scar, then she would have been with Lee in the bar instead of Dee. RDM's original plan was to have her get with some anonymous marine during her R&R time, which was interrupted by the hostage situation. IIRC...

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Interesting. I think he was angry about the shooting (and especially about her disappearing on him afterwards), but I felt like they dealt with that in their earlier scene -- "You're life's so hard, isn't it?" / "Oh, you mean since I got shot?" -- and when he sees the pain on her face, you can tell that he regrets throwing that in her face. It's a beautiful, silent moment between them, and when she asks if he wants to hear her ideas about the missing pilots and he just looks at her, clearly open to whatever she wants to say, I felt like that was an unspoken agreement between the two of them to move on.

There's a deleted scene from the episode that was supposed to take place a bit later on, where they are arguing about Garner. He says that he knows Garner is making some mistakes, but that she owes the man her respect and support in his efforts to do the best he can in a bad situation, instead of always undermining him and cutting him down infront of the crew. And Kara says she and the crew deserve good leadership and shouldn't be expected to kowtow to people unworthy of the authority they hold. It's one of my favorite arguments between them, actually. Kara clearly wins the overall point, and Lee concedes but he's still inarticulately mad. He clearly thinks it might be because of the residual effects of the shooting, and he actually talks it out, for once: "I know you didn't mean to shoot me, Kara. I know that. I don't know why I'm mad at you. I really don't. I just am."
It's a little bit awful, but also really honest, and I love it.

I read that final scene, where he talks about her bucking authority, as his attempt to get down to some underlying resentments that have been festering for a while. I think he does honestly feel like she goes about things in whatever way she feels like, making life difficult for the people like him who are left to manage her messes and be the middlemen in her conflicts, and that what irritated him in the whole Garner situation was that Kara was right in all her tactical and professional decisions, but so unnecessarily abrasive in her attitude that she sabotaged herself and expected Lee to bail her out and smooth things over. I think he was already mad at her over the shooting (and maybe even over the unresolved mess from Scar), and was seriously not in the mood to do his usual diplomatic schtick. In short, I think there were a lot of issues bundled up in their fight throughout the episode, and I felt like his closing statement to her was honest, even though it wasn't the whole story.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

what irritated him in the whole Garner situation was that Kara was right in all her tactical and professional decisions, but so unnecessarily abrasive in her attitude that she sabotaged herself and expected Lee to bail her out and smooth things over. I think he was already mad at her over the shooting (and maybe even over the unresolved mess from Scar), and was seriously not in the mood to do his usual diplomatic schtick. In short, I think there were a lot of issues bundled up in their fight throughout the episode, and I felt like his closing statement to her was honest, even though it wasn't the whole story.

Yes. Definetely. I couldn't agree more. :)

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

As the oldest of 3 sisters, who always felt like a different standard was applied to me than my sisters (which in retrospect I may have projected on myself), these lines made complete sense to me coming from him. He was a perfectionist who arguably lived his whole life for Papadama's approval.

Every time a sister broke one of what I considered a fundamental house rule and got a slap on the wrist, I'd have the same sort of reaction as Lee. I'd do something and get the "We expect more from you" speech and what I felt was disproportionate punishment. Yeah, I lived it, so... I get it. :)

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I guess coupled with his hurt about the shooting, and her rejection in Scar, it makes sense. In and of itself, Lee has never seemed resentful of her breaking the rules. IMO, he has always just accepted it as part of who she is. With everything else, though, I guess it got to be too much. Thanks for the insights, bb.

[coffeesuperhero.livejournal.com]

Word to everything in this comment. Word.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Yes! Those lines bugged me a little too! Like they weren't the real reason!

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I think the big issue was certainly the fact she avoided him after the shooting. (Oh, Kara, for someone so brave, always ready to face danger head on, she certainly ran away a lot). He was already mad at her when he arrived, before he got to know what exactly was going on. I think that line was his way of rationalizing to himself (more than to her) what he was feeling and why. But, of course, there was some truth to it. It just wasn't the whole truth. It wasn't even the most important part of the truth, really.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Yeah. That's a good summary of my thoughts as well. All the running away drives me crazy! Gah!