DPP: Vent at Joe's Bar

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Hey, I know I said I was going to post a two day thing? Eh... I changed my mind! :D I'm not sure if we've done this one before but I figured I'm going to go for it anyways. Tomorrow's post is going to come a little bit late in the day and I might do the two-day challenge then, because it's a little involved and takes a bit more time.

Anyways, what are we venting at Joe's about? 

Unpopular Pilots (and other Fandom) Opinions.

I thought some of these might be coming up since we've been thinking so much about the scenes and the voting. Ever feel alone in what you think? Are you afraid to speak your mind sometimes because the other shippers don't agree with your opinion? Well pull up a barstool, get a drink, and spill it. Bartenders are, of course, the everyman's therapist.

Comments

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Hmm. People have been kind enough to listen to my somewhat unpopular opinions before, everyone has always been so gracious, so I don't think I have many secrets left :) I made a few comments about Lee's marriage above, and I will just add that it was a relief to me when it was allowed to fail on its own merits. I'm glad that he made a serious effort to see if he could make it work, and I'm glad it didn't, and I'm glad that the reason was a genuine difference of principles rather than Kara Thrace (even though they rushed that bit of storyline just like they did every other part. Lee/Dee = bane of my existance, dramatically as well as emotionally. Sigh.)

One other unpopular opinion, about fandom rather than pilots, is that from all I've heard of him in commentaries and elsewhere, I'm actually quite fond of Ron Moore. He seems like a nice guy, and an interesting person, and someone who really cared about the work he was doing and who invited his actors and writers and directors into a collaborative environment that I'm sure made a lot of great things possible. He thought a lot about certain things, and winged his way through others, and he himself was able to admit that storylines didn't always work, which I found refreshing. I think he did a lot wrong in his storytelling - not all of which he recognized - but he also did a lot right, and at the end of the day I'm more grateful than angry. "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones." I choose to remember the good :) I think he made a great piece of television, and the fact that it's far from perfect shouldn't invalidate the whole thing - I'm sorry that so many people dislike him so much, given how much we all love parts of his work.

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

I'm so glad to see someone who is not an RDM hater. IMO he made Starbuck a woman in the first place... on those grounds alone I can't hate him.

[kag523.livejournal.com]

"I choose to remember the good :) I think he made a great piece of television, and the fact that it's far from perfect shouldn't invalidate the whole thing - I'm sorry that so many people dislike him so much, given how much we all love parts of his work."

I have the utmost respect for Ron Moore - for all the reasons you are saying. I also think it is naive of us to assume that ever written word came directly from him. Some of the parts were ad libbed, so were put together by teams of writers, and some of it was his pure vision.

It all wraps up into a perfect package that is BSG, and THAT is why we all love it.

Great comment Rachel!

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't specifically blame Ron or David. I try to remember that I'm a spectator of their art. While they may be making it for an audience, I may not be the target audience. There are K/L haters, I suppose, who perhaps lauded that he kept K/L apart.

I think in the fandom, we can insulate ourselves in the choir, so to speak. I'm only active in the Kara/Lee centric comms. Did we get shafted by parts of the show. Hell yeah. Did RDM and Co actually owe us anything? Nope. He may not have taken things where I wanted, but he had the right to take it where he wanted. Even if that place was all crazy space angels and one true God and breeding with early hominids.