DPP: Vent at Joe's Bar

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Hey, I know I said I was going to post a two day thing? Eh... I changed my mind! :D I'm not sure if we've done this one before but I figured I'm going to go for it anyways. Tomorrow's post is going to come a little bit late in the day and I might do the two-day challenge then, because it's a little involved and takes a bit more time.

Anyways, what are we venting at Joe's about? 

Unpopular Pilots (and other Fandom) Opinions.

I thought some of these might be coming up since we've been thinking so much about the scenes and the voting. Ever feel alone in what you think? Are you afraid to speak your mind sometimes because the other shippers don't agree with your opinion? Well pull up a barstool, get a drink, and spill it. Bartenders are, of course, the everyman's therapist.

Comments

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Okay. I'll be brave too. I don't like the under the wing scene because it's the final nail in the coffin, as it were. I think lee follows his father's advice in saying "everybody gets rattled sometimes" - he should have listened to his own instincts and her words that she didn't trust herself to fly. I feel angry at him for it.

There is more, but I'm on a phone and it's arduous to type.

*does tequila shot*

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Huh... that's interesting... Lee's faith in her gets her killed... I never really thought about it before... you know if you look it at his feelings getting in the way of doing his job and getting Kara killed... it's sort of the flip of Kara and Zak... I don't know if you were going for that but it just made me think.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I hadn't made the zak connection, but that makes for an interesting parallel. I also think the scene is incredibly sad. She says I guess that's all we'll ever be and I just want to scream. Cause that's it for them. They don't really ever get another chance on the show. There's such a sadness and finality to her statement "I guess that's all we'll ever be" that also makes me think it was easier for her to go into the maelstrom. It might be my shippyness coming through, but it's like she's got nothing at the end of that scene. At least a little - as a theory it doesn't quite hold up, but it has been dancing around in my brain for a while.

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

Someone mentioned a point about the under the wing scene this week that I hadn't thought of (I'm supposed to be working, so I can't check who) noting how it was a parallel to Kara passing Zak. Lee goes against her judgement that she's unfit and somehow thinks he can keep her safe in separate ships.

(Oh, sweet irony! I voted to keep that scene!)

[kag523.livejournal.com]

I feel like this scene is pretty much EXACTLY the same as what Kara does to Zak... sends him off to fly when he shouldn't actually be there. I was hoping the writers would do more with this idea than they did.

Great comment!

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda disagree. Or I agree to a point, the situations do have similarities, but there are important differences. Kara knew Zak wasn't capable or able to fly, whereas Lee doesn't know where Kara's mind is exactly, it could have been the right thing, someone believing in her and giving her a small push like after Kara crashing on the moon. Kara must have known on some base level that her believing in Zak wouldn't be enough.

That said Kara did it out of love, there obviously was no intention there, so I feel sorry for both of them.

[kag523.livejournal.com]

You should TOTALLY disagree! I love your reasoning too... I just think that this is an interesting foil to the Kara/Zak angst that (if I'd written the show) I would have played with. :>)

[(Anonymous)]

Jamie said at a con that Lee definately felt guilty but I guess the writers never really delved into that. I like to think that's also an element of why Lee's mourning of Kara is so quiet and he's drawn into himself.