Daily Pilots Post: Hey, I Know You!
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no_takebacksI know you've done it. Seen a couple in a movie or TV show or read them in a book and said, "HEY! THAT'S LEE/KARA!" It makes sense, in a lot of ways. As ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
mlsky pointed out a few weeks back over in sci_fi_shipper's Write and Gripe community, the two of them are archetypal.
With Tara, we discussed movies that you wish would be made for Katee and Jamie to act in, or could see Katee and Jamie cast in, because the parts scream for their chemistry and/or remind us so much of Kara and Lee. I expect there will be some overlap here, but I want to hear about book (or play or other works of literature) characters that remind you of Pilots. Maybe, for whatever reason, they'll never end up on a screen, or the casting wouldn't work if it did, but these characters scream Lee and Kara for you.
Examples:
Eve and Rourk from J.D. Robb's In Death series. She's a feisty, broken, beautiful woman with a badly cut, dirty blond hair and hazel eyes. He's a suave, sophisticated, wealthy, dark haired man with his own troubled past and a set of piercing blue eyes. His accent holds a hint of Ireland, but the chemistry between them comes closer to the climate of Equador. And they both know about kicking ass, then taking names. I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're Kara and Lee in NYC in 2050. I may be off by a bit on the year.
Kat and Gail/Peeta from Suzanne Collins' Hunger Games series. This one isn't quite as obvious, but it's close. Kat resembles Kara in so many ways it's difficult to count, and I maintain that both Gail and Peeta have different aspects of Lee's personality. Peeta is the idealist and Gail is the fierce hunter. These kids are younger, and I think less broken that Kara and Lee were, but looking at them through that lens makes for an interesting study in what might have been when Pilots were younger.
Matrim Cauthon and Tuon (The Daughter of The Nine Moons) from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (which is being completed posthumously by Brandon Sanderson, using notes and outlines RJ made before his death, for those who were curious). This is easily the most abstracted comparison example I'm going to use. She's a petite, dark-skinned princess and he's a brash gambler and reluctant, if highly successful, general. But when you dig down, you see it. They're drawn to each other from the moment they meet. In this case, prophesy actually throws them together and sees them married, but there's a constant push and pull and vying for dominance between them that reminds me of the dance our beloved Pilots shared. She's aloof and critical and cold and fierce (and a shockingly good fighter), but her smiles transform her. He's crass and irreverent, macho and insane and luckier than any one person has any business being. Anyone else would have died pulling the stunts he pulls. Last I saw, though, circumstances had drawn them apart again, despite their marriage. And without even a goodbye kiss. They aren't the main pairing in the series, but they're the one I like best.
So, where have YOU seen reincarnations of our pilots?
mlsky pointed out a few weeks back over in sci_fi_shipper's Write and Gripe community, the two of them are archetypal.With Tara, we discussed movies that you wish would be made for Katee and Jamie to act in, or could see Katee and Jamie cast in, because the parts scream for their chemistry and/or remind us so much of Kara and Lee. I expect there will be some overlap here, but I want to hear about book (or play or other works of literature) characters that remind you of Pilots. Maybe, for whatever reason, they'll never end up on a screen, or the casting wouldn't work if it did, but these characters scream Lee and Kara for you.
Examples:
Eve and Rourk from J.D. Robb's In Death series. She's a feisty, broken, beautiful woman with a badly cut, dirty blond hair and hazel eyes. He's a suave, sophisticated, wealthy, dark haired man with his own troubled past and a set of piercing blue eyes. His accent holds a hint of Ireland, but the chemistry between them comes closer to the climate of Equador. And they both know about kicking ass, then taking names. I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're Kara and Lee in NYC in 2050. I may be off by a bit on the year.
Kat and Gail/Peeta from Suzanne Collins' Hunger Games series. This one isn't quite as obvious, but it's close. Kat resembles Kara in so many ways it's difficult to count, and I maintain that both Gail and Peeta have different aspects of Lee's personality. Peeta is the idealist and Gail is the fierce hunter. These kids are younger, and I think less broken that Kara and Lee were, but looking at them through that lens makes for an interesting study in what might have been when Pilots were younger.
Matrim Cauthon and Tuon (The Daughter of The Nine Moons) from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (which is being completed posthumously by Brandon Sanderson, using notes and outlines RJ made before his death, for those who were curious). This is easily the most abstracted comparison example I'm going to use. She's a petite, dark-skinned princess and he's a brash gambler and reluctant, if highly successful, general. But when you dig down, you see it. They're drawn to each other from the moment they meet. In this case, prophesy actually throws them together and sees them married, but there's a constant push and pull and vying for dominance between them that reminds me of the dance our beloved Pilots shared. She's aloof and critical and cold and fierce (and a shockingly good fighter), but her smiles transform her. He's crass and irreverent, macho and insane and luckier than any one person has any business being. Anyone else would have died pulling the stunts he pulls. Last I saw, though, circumstances had drawn them apart again, despite their marriage. And without even a goodbye kiss. They aren't the main pairing in the series, but they're the one I like best.
So, where have YOU seen reincarnations of our pilots?
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Date: 2010-04-21 06:19 pm (UTC)(No, I wasn't thinking of doing a Shakespearean thing for one of my DPP's, why do you ask? :O )
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Date: 2010-04-21 06:25 pm (UTC)I was literally just about to suggest them!!!
As much as I'm not a fan of the film version of this play (who casts Keanu as a Shakespearean baddie....really?)...Emma Thompson and Kenneth Branagh bring the banter so well :D
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Date: 2010-04-21 06:32 pm (UTC)Keanu as Don John is indeed possibly the worst casting in the history of bad casting, lol. I think it works for me because it makes Don John look like such a terribly pathetic villain in comparison to rest of the TOTALLY AWESOME ACTING that you're just going, "LOL WUT OF COURSE THAT PLAN FAILED, BUDDY," the whole time. Hee!
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Date: 2010-04-21 06:39 pm (UTC)I remember the first time I saw it I was like, "OMG What is the idiot from Speed doing in my Shakespeare movie? And why is he hating on the cute kid from Dead Poet's Society? And why is he so fucking stupid?!?!?!? At least Denzel is sneakily hooking up those silly, silly people in denial."
But seriously, Emma and Ken pull of their roles perfectly....which they always do for The Bard :D
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Date: 2010-04-21 07:31 pm (UTC)There's a lot of Shakespear in Pilots. Both the Banter and the Tragedy. **sigh**
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Date: 2010-04-22 01:41 am (UTC)This was a good idea for the DPP, girl! I have a good reading list for summer now. :D
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Date: 2010-04-22 01:42 am (UTC)Anytime I can talk about Beatrice/Benedick banter AND Kara/Lee, my day is FAB.
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Date: 2010-04-22 02:48 am (UTC)Also, I love that K/L get comedy leads in Much Ado. It's way more uplifting than having them always cast as R+J.