Let's bring out the worst...

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

We often talk about pilots’ bests – their best quality, their best scene, their best kisses, hugs, looks and so on.

They are far from perfect, though.

So, what about their worst? What would you say was:

- Lee’s worst flaw?

- Kara’s worst flaw?

- the worst  thing Lee ever did (to Kara, to himself and/or to others)?

- the worst thing Kara ever did (to Lee, to herself and/or to other)?

- Lee’s worst line in the show or his most OOC moment?

- Kara’s worst line in the show or her most OOC moment?

- the worst thing that was ever done to them?

- Kara's and Lee's worst look ever?

- their bestest moment, their most redeemable trait  or action, the one thing about them which makes us forget  all the bad stuff, no matter what (because we love them after all and we must never lose sight of that, right) ?

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Comments

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

Lee’s worst flaw?

It's a two-edged sword but in some ways, I'd say it's his sense of honor/morality. It doesn't see gray and often has no room to give. In some ways the term "brutally principled" is very apt.


the worst thing that was ever done to them?

Oh Kara. I could go on for days. But I think the one that stings most is the attempt to somehow redeem her mother's abuse as being god's will(-- so it's all okay! Huzzah!), swiftly followed by fanning the flames of her religious convictions to the point where she thought that being a mindless sacrifice on the alter of Fate and Destiny was a good thing.

((And that ultimately, all that Leoben kidnapping/brainwashing bullshit was part of the divine plan, because it got her into the correct frame of mind to then go and KILL HERSELF so she could be resurrected as a NEWER, SHINIER, BETTER KARA who could fulfil her divine destiny via magic space music.))

Okay. Obviously, I can't pick just one here.

GAH. All absolutely unforgiveable.


- their bestest moment, their most redeemable trait or action, the one thing about them which makes us forget all the bad stuff, no matter what (because we love them after all and we must never lose sight of that, right) ?

The brig scene has already been mentioned, so I'll just add Islanded. : )

[kag523.livejournal.com]

Oh Kara. I could go on for days. But I think the one that stings most is the attempt to somehow redeem her mother's abuse as being god's will(-- so it's all okay! Huzzah!), swiftly followed by fanning the flames of her religious convictions to the point where she thought that being a mindless sacrifice on the alter of Fate and Destiny was a good thing.

You know I share SO MANY of these feelings. *RAGE* I do wonder at the heavy-handedness of the show. I say this because I watched Tree of Life a couple days ago, and much of it has to do with a young man coming to terms with his father's harsh upbringing of him. Now granted, it isn't Socrata Thrace (but in other ways, it's equally exhausting and awful and the family has a whole OTHER tragedy to deal with too). But it got me thinking that if, at the end of two hours, I could see how a character to get to understand his father - without denying the brutality - then why COULDN'T that have happened over the course of two years? No PTSD and Stockholm syndrome and "God Made Me Do It" craziness needed.

Anyhow. A thought. :)

P.S. I'm not actually reccing Tree of Life - though I did enjoy parts of it. At one point I turned to D and said "Why would someone PAY to feel this way?" LOL So yeah. There's that.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I think it's because (for the purposes of a shady plotline) the writers settled on the message of "She broke you because you needed breaking and because it was god's will"

instead of

"she broke you and it's a terrible horrible thing, but it doesn't mean you can't heal and move on and get some closure."

So yes. We are in perfect agreement on this one.


Oh Mr. Malick. *g* I both adore and am terrified of his films (but they are so beautifully photographed). I haven't seen ToL yet, but I've heard both good, bad and WTF? things about it (which is kind of par for the course when it comes to his stuff).

Have you seen Melancholia? That was another on my list of weird existential films to see...

[kag523.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen Melancholia (just that name makes me do this O_o) but I did love The Thin Red Line, another of Malick's. It is one of my favourites. (Tree of Life isn't as good, IMO, though it has its moments and I did cry more than once.) It's actually quite exhausting, though beautiful in that sharp, poetic way he has. :)

[useyourlove.livejournal.com]

Nooope, I explode when I watch Dirty Hands too. Just whut. I feel like after Season 2 they really lost the thread of what they were doing. The tones, plotlines, and messages of Seasons 1-2 are veeeery different from the ones we get in 3-4. I feel like they said "well, people expect us to have political stuff in here, so here's some of that. And I'm sick of this plotline so let's write this lazily and using as many negative instances of tired tropes as possible." Which is often why I feel strange when I tell people I'm a BSG fan because I'm like "what exactly is this saying about me?" and it makes me uncomfortable.

[useyourlove.livejournal.com]

Oh Kara. I could go on for days. But I think the one that stings most is the attempt to somehow redeem her mother's abuse as being god's will(-- so it's all okay! Huzzah!), swiftly followed by fanning the flames of her religious convictions to the point where she thought that being a mindless sacrifice on the alter of Fate and Destiny was a good thing.

((And that ultimately, all that Leoben kidnapping/brainwashing bullshit was part of the divine plan, because it got her into the correct frame of mind to then go and KILL HERSELF so she could be resurrected as a NEWER, SHINIER, BETTER KARA who could fulfil her divine destiny via magic space music.))

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY ALL OF IT BOTHERS ME SO MUCH. It's like "ok, I get that if you come to terms with what your mother did you that it might make you less damaged. But we had to frame it in such a way that it was ok that she hurt you because it prepared you for some mystical SUICIDE crap and God told her to do it? And because you forgive her you are now ready to die???? WHUT?" And the whole Leoben thing... just ugh. I love love love Leoben but I think that they really screwed up those storylines. They were so compelling because they both abused each other so thoroughly and--to begin with--there was no judgment by the narrative on whether either one of them was in the right or the wrong. It was just the way that they were driven to behave and the way that they continued to be drawn together. By the end of the third season it's clear that Kara's treatment of him is framed as wrong and Leoben's treatment of her is framed as ok because he was a Divine Instrument of God and he "truly loved her" and was "trying to help her" and all sorts of other crap that has terrifying implications. JUST UGH. (Sorry, I have many Kara Thrace feels, and a lot of them are "wow wouldn't that have been a great storyline IF THEY HAD DONE IT RIGHT?" This, of course, is what fic is for, and why now when I rewatch I keep extensive notes of what bothers me so I can eventually write a gigantic fix-it and come to terms with this whole debacle.)

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I'd say it's his sense of honor/morality. It doesn't see gray and often has no room to give.

Hmmm...His sense of honor/morality is one the things I really like about him. As for the "no room to give " bit, I confess that I've heard it before (quite often, really) but it always confuses me because I associate black-vs-white-without-any-grey-shadows-whatsoever thinking with radicals and fundamentalists of any kind, people who are unable to compromise at all and that is not like Lee at all, I guess.

I couldn't agree more with about Kara, though. I think that the religious connotations attributed to the abuse (her mother's and Leoben's) were much worse than the abuse itself.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I think I associate the no-room-for-gray almost entirely with his relationship with Kara. He always comes form this all-or-nothng positions, which unfortunately is often the sure-fire way to make her run. The Nothing comes in S1-2, when their past keeps him from acting on anything. The all comes really in 2.5 and 3, when he pushes her for more, and she's just not in a place to reciprocate. But in 4.. well, that's when they both start to get it right.... ; )