DPP: Intervention Time!

[winegums.livejournal.com]

Hello everyone, it's my turn at the DPP this week, and to (belatedly) kick off, here goes:

Pilots frequently frustrate us with just how terrible their timing is, and how frequently they end up frakking it all up between them just when there's the smallest hope things will be ok. And nine times out of ten, it ends up feeling like it could have been avoided if someone just gave either or both of them a good talking-to.

Today's question is: what if that person was YOU? What if you could break the fourth wall or otherwise enter the BSGverse and actually talk to Lee Adama, or Kara Thrace, or both together, to tell them to please stop being so chicken/running off with other people/generally doing their best to frak it all up, or that despite all appearances, you two really do love each other - with a catch: you can do this only ONCE.

So, which point would you choose to stage an intervention for pilots and save them from themselves/cosmic bad luck? Here are a few possibilities, accompanied by my own wise advice to them:



me: Pssst, you two! Lee, take your jaw off the floor and just kiss her already! And Kara, don't go off with that slime Baltar, the person you want WANTS YOU RIGHT BACK and jealousy isn't a good look on him.
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(me: NOOOOOOOOO WHAT ARE YOU ABOUT TO DO JUST DON'T!!!!!!!!

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me: NOOOOOOOOO SHE FINALLY TOLD YOU SHE MIGHT CONSIDER A DIVORCE !!!! LAME-DUCK MARRIAGES YOU ONLY WENT INTO BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T HAVE EACH OTHER ARE NOT A VALID REASON FOR TURNING HER DOWN. JUST SAY YES!!!!!!
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Leave your own answer - accompanied by a screencap if you want - in the comments, and also your own dialogue to pilots (even if it's nothing more than NO DON'T DO THAT!).

P.S.: I'm also working under the assumption that pilots would actually listen and not just freak out about the fact that a fangirl/fanboy is sitting in on their lives and giving them relationship advice. Or shoot/clobber said fanboy/fangirl.

Comments

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Her death made no sense and wasn't necessary to tell the story! I still remain angry at Lee for being so blind to her struggle. When your TOP pilot says she's not going out there again, you say OKAY! WTF??? So infuriating!

[winegums.livejournal.com]

I honestly can't be mad at him, Kara's the kind of person who normally NEEDS people to have faith in her and trust her - and she wasn't blind to the fact that Lee was giving her exactly that. It was his way of saying "I don't think you're crazy, just going through a hard time" - and it came within a whisker of working, they were about to head home when Kara went haring off after the imaginary Cylon Heavy Raider.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I see his reaction akin to his oblivion on New Caprica. He didn't see what was right in front of him. He has his own theories about things and didn't see that she was losing her shit. I will hate this scene forever. Sorry! :(

(I think Kara never expects people to trust her at all and wanted Lee to ground her, even though, she's happy of course, when he doesn't. I think she enjoyed his faith in her, as misguided as it was.)

[word-vomity.livejournal.com]

I agree that his decision there was not great. I remember being so mad at him. And her, JUST PULL UP KARA!!!!!!!!!! For Lee, who was usually so tuned in to her, to miss how badly she was struggling was very OOC for me. Although, her actions of just flying into death's waiting arms, also ridic and OOC. *sigh* Now i'm sad. :(

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

*hugs* Any discussion of Maelstrom or TAB is bound to bring the sadface. :(

[winegums.livejournal.com]

Ehhhhh, it's a crap writing decision and OOC from everyone involved. But I still love the scene under the wing, even if it makes me want to curl up in a ball and cry forever.

[word-vomity.livejournal.com]

I agree. I do like them all honest and peaceful under the wing. Except when I think about why she's all talking and open...which is basically cuz she's a wreck and giving up and about to kamikaze herself into a giant storm. :(

But it is refreshing to get them being so open with one another in that scene.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

(I think Kara never expects people to trust her at all and wanted Lee to ground her, even though, she's happy of course, when he doesn't. I think she enjoyed his faith in her, as misguided as it was.)

This is kind of what kills the most about this moment. Kara believes Lee when he says she'll be ok. That's why she goes out there.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I never really made the connection to Kara believing Lee and that being the thing that lets her go out there. Makes me even more furious bc she trusted him and he let her down. Sometimes I hate this show!

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

He doesn't mean to let her down. :(

But I know what you mean. Sometimes I hate this show too. ;)

[lizziec]

This, this, so much this. Why didn't he listen to her? Kara's instincts about flying are usually spot on and he should have taken her seriously when she said she didn't trust herself. That is a huge admission from her, given she lives to fly. This was the point in the episode that I started to find Maelstrom really hard to take.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

YES! He just didn't listen. He's so much in his own world sometimes and I've always thought that Bill guided him to this "I am the CAG, let me tell you what is best for you." Grrr.

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

I think Lee made the right call at the time. If you took flying away from Starbuck, the results would not be good. It's easy to criticize him after the fact, but with what he knew at the time, he was trying to be a good friend and help her through what was bothering her. If he grounded her, it's not like things would have been fine. I agreed with Lee when he said if he grounded her identity as a viper jock would be shattered and she may really go crazy.

Simply put Lee did the right thing, but it turned out horribly. That's real to me. This is what happens in real life. Sometimes you try to do the right thing and it blows up in your face.

It's easy to say he was wrong when it turns out bad, but suppose if he grounded her, and she continued a downward spiral and winds up killing herself another way. Then people would blame him for grounding her!

Now I think he would blame himself, and I think he did but they downplayed that part of it alot. I would have blamed that up more as part of his decision to leave the military. Sending Kara off to die certainly would be great reason for him to want to leave the military.

BTW trapper, not picking on you, had to reply to someone's comment. I'm surprised how many are blaming Lee for what happened.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

so basically what you are saying is that all that line of thought is not just in my head? so.... i didn't lost my mid and all of that? hmmmm... interesting

[winegums.livejournal.com]

Hello, braintwin! Nice to know I'm not alone in my thoughts about Maelstrom - I always read the lack of tears or otherwise obvious display of grief by Lee as a sign that he wasn't letting himself grieve openly. I mean, we KNOW he loved her but I can very well see him thinking that he didn't have a right to mourn her like say Sam would have. Also, I agree that Kara's death did provide Lee with the impetus to leave the military, it doesn't need to be explicitly stated to be obvious.

I think you are right about the grounding too - who's to say Kara's delusions/hallucinations would have ceased, and that she wouldn't have ended up killing herself another way if she was grounded?

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

Exactly he couldn't grieve openly. He's not the husband. He can't grive her openly. There's a couple deleted scenes that better show Lee's grief. Where the people around him can tell he's hurting. Lee is working constantly, pushing himself very hard. (In the scene pilots talk about if they pull the hours he was, they'd be doing some serious rack time). And another where Lee is seen pulling Kara's pic from a book. Pan to Dee who you can tell knows too well what Lee is doing.

In the episode where Adama confronts Lee after he nearly blew up in the raptor, and Lee says "you have no idea, you have no frakking idea". Lee's keeping his pain locked up inside.

[winegums.livejournal.com]

In a weird way it's almost like a parallel to Kara sending Zak to his death - in both cases, you have someone up in the air who shouldn't have been there. Only this time, it happened as a result of total honesty instead of a lie. *sob* *sadface*