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I second this. Also the scene where Adama gives Aurora to Lee.

I would have love to know where they were going with all this.

I also know cause of the abridged Six of One brig scene, they cut back more of Kara with Aurora on Demetrius. Would have made that arc better to take, apart but not completely apart.

I would bet the reason we didn't get a L&K reunion scene In "Guess What.." was because it was probably going to have to do with the Aurora idol. Think about it if Lee had told Kara to hold the Aurora statue for him till she returned, she would have to return to him at some point right?

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There's a deleted scene that's supposedly from Resurrection Ship 1, but which I think is actually from Resurrection Ship 2 - it's right after Lee has found out from his father that Roslin is the one who ordered the assassination of Cain. Lee's slugging back drink after drink in the mess/rec room/whatever that place is, and Dee comes to find him because he's going to miss his Raptor back to Pegasus and he tells her - more or less in despair - that he doesn't know what they're fighting for any more. And I wish they hadn't cut it, because it makes Lee's willingness to go ahead and just die out there in space make sense and it ALSO makes Dee's being so worried about him that she eavesdrops on his conversation with Kara when he tells Kara that he wishes he HAD died make sense too. (See, MUCH more sense than the stupid ex-dead-maybe-pregnant-girlfriend reasoning that they introduced in "Black Market.")

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Ooh, I had forgotten about that scene. I completely agree that they shouldn't have cut it; it ties those storylines together in one scene. To be honest, I don't have as much a problem with the dead ex-girlfriend storyline as I used to. But she (and I hate that they gave us her NAME in yet another deleted scene) isn't as interesting a reason as a loss of faith is.

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There's no maybe about it, his gf was pregnant.

Black Market feels like an AU story in the middle of BSG. Other then the death of Fisk, there was no lasting consequence of that episode. This is a shame actually cause there were some good ideas in that episode. Execution was way off though.

Tying Lee's suicide attempt closely to what he did to a girlfriend they never mentioned before didn't make sense. A black market becoming a huge problem when it was never mentioned before was off. Talking about all these women in Lee's life but Kara not even appearing in it was off.

I think Lee becoming depressed and pensive about his life after nearly dying made sense. No need to tie what happened with Gianne so close to his near death. Once they knew they were going to bring up a former girl friend she should have been mentioned in the show somehow. Kara had to enter in his thoughts in a big way this episode it was a gaping plot hole that you could drive a truck through. In an eppy where Lee is thinking about his past and future, how does Kara NOT enter that discussion?

Hell next eppy in Scar after their near frak on the table he asking her "What about us?", but yet no though of her in Black Market.

We won't even get into how the Black Market was never mentioned again, or how Zarek taking it over was alos forgotten.

Black Market was an episode with interesting ideas but damn it needed to be overhauled.

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I love a lot of deleted scenes, actually. I think both the ones mentioned above are good, and I would add:

1) The extended "if I leave Sam, will you leave Dee?" conversation from Taking A Break From All Your Worries. This is probably the low-point of the series for Kara/Lee fans, but at least this extended scene makes it a lot clearer what their mindsets are and why they are both in the process of changing their minds -- it shows how Lee's fear and uncertainty is starting to take over and make him think he can't trust Kara even when she claims something is important to her, and it shows how Kara's near-brush with death made her realize how much she would miss if she let Lee go. It's painful, but it makes the characters' choices comprehensible, if not justifiable, for the rest of the episode.

2) The deleted Kara/Lee scenes from Maelstrom, especially the first two, with Kara freaking out on the flight deck and later arguing with Lee over her reinstatement to flight status. They just have some beautiful moments in those scenes. I love the way Lee comes over to her in CAG-mode after she's been yelling at the Chief and tells her she should know better. She apologizes and tries to wave off the incident, but he just looks at her with this wonderful intensity and worry and says very quietly, "No. What's wrong?" And she covers up her fears and makes a joke and walks away, and it is so THEM that it hurts. I love it. And they snipe at each other with such great timing during their flight status argument, and you can just tell that they're driving each other crazy and yet caring about one another so much. I love them in this episode, I really do. The little extended "under the wing" scene has some pluses and minuses (the extra dialogue seems to suggest a more definite 'we would never have worked out' vibe than Lee's much-discussed enigmatic look which ends the scene as aired), but I do love the way she takes Lee's hand and he helps her up, and the way he looks up at her as she climbs above him on the ladder of her plane. He says, "Hey. Be good," with such affection, it's really sweet. And she gives him a little wink and a huff of laughter. It's a nice last moment for them before the end.

3) I really like the little fight they have in "The Captain's Hand" deleted scene where they're discussing the problems with Garner's command. I like that Lee is trying to make a point to Kara about her duty to her superior officers, and Kara turns his argument around to make a claim about the duties superior officers have to the people under their command. It's just a nice little exchange, and she gets the better of Lee, and I just love the mocking way she rubs it in his face: "You hate it when she argues rationally, don't you? It's so much easier when she's a foul-mouthed hot head, huh?" It just shows the complexity of the two of them, and how they have different sides and play different roles than the ones you might expect sometimes. And the argument concludes with this bizarre mixture of humor and simmering anger and unusual self-awareness when Lee just says: "I don't know why I'm angry at you, Kara. I really don't. I just am." It's kind of awful, but it's emotionally honest and confused at the same time. I really love them in this episode, too, because it's like they're finally airing all the things that have been festering between them since Sacrifice, and probably since Scar before that, and it's kind of ugly and unpleasant and harsh, but they are putting it out there and working through it and in the end they are really able to reconcile fully with each other. I love that.

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Awwww, you are making me want to watch all of these episodes RFN, darling! I barely have time to watch ANY tv any more and here I am with all this resurgence of PILOTS! love distracting me from my 500-plus Netflix queue!

But I love your descriptions of these scenes and I totally agree about "The Captain's Hand" - it's definitely one of my favorite episodes.

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There's another deleted scene from Maelstrom of Lee and Kara. It's from the deleted 2nd of 3 flights they she was originally going to take.

Here's the scene: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5779854/15135484

In it you see Kara is starting to doubt herself and losing it. Lee backs her up to the deck crew but orders her to see Doc Cottle for med and psych eval. Lee is very concerned about her by this point, but ultimately has to go into CAG mode to get her to go to Cottle.

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Wow! I had never even heard about this scene before, and it's awesome. Thank you so much for sharing it!!

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NOOOOO! The link is not working! *pouts*

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YAY! It worked!!

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I do love the way she takes Lee's hand and he helps her up, and the way he looks up at her as she climbs above him on the ladder of her plane. He says, "Hey. Be good," with such affection, it's really sweet. And she gives him a little wink and a huff of laughter. It's a nice last moment for them before the end.

I can't even explain why, but your description of this totally chokes me up. Wow, Rachel. Just... WOW.

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Thank you! They really get to me in this episode. In every scene between them there is just something so *strong* going on; it's hard to describe but impossible to miss :)

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that little bit in Islanded in a Stream of Stars. I really wish they left that. But again maybe they cut it because we K/L fans would think that they were going back to K/L shipping too. After watching The Plan, I figured they had to cut out as much of the interaction with K/L that would make it harder for the fans to accept their decision. Of course, we all know it was a BAD BAD decision.

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All of those above are fantastic, and I'm going to include two more.

1) The deleted scene with Dee and Lee in the raptor on the way back to Galactica when she admits she knows Lee loves Kara, but she'll marry him anyway... "until the cylons come back or Kara Thrace walks into your life". Ugh. I never likes the whole Dee / Lee relationship to begin with, but that scene just made me realize that almost everyone knew what they were getting into.

2) The deleted ready room flashback from Razor where Lee and Kara are watching the footage of the Olympic Carrier over and over again. There is something so beautiful and raw about their interactions in that scene. Actually it is one of my favorite "quiet" moments between the two of them.

(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/?action=view&current=sidebyside2.jpg)

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Oh before I forget there was a deleted scene (not sure if it was actually shot but I read the scene from the script).

It's an extended version of the scene we saw with Lee & Kara on Colonial One in SAGN. Very emotional.

Was something to be kept hush hush but I doubt it would matter at this point.

INT COLONIAL ONE -- PRESIDENT'S OFFICE

THE POPULATION WHITEBOARD - 39,651. An emotionally raw and
weary Lee erases the final digit and replaces it. 39,650.
He stares at the number long and hard.

KARA (O.S)
Lee?

Lee turns to discuver Starbuck there, disheveled physically
and emotionally.

LEE
Heard you lost the distress signal.
Couldn't find the source.

KARA
Yeah. I need to talk Gotta tell
someone.

She stops short when she notices his harrowed expression.

KARA
You look like hell. What's going
on?

LEE
(almost losing it)
...Dee.

KARA
What about her?

LEE
You haven't heard?
(off her head shake)
She shot herself--

KARA
Frak me! Gods...

LEE
About two hours ago.

KARA
I don't understand...

LEE
Neither do I. Been trying to come
up with a nice neat answer:
Everyone had their breaking point -
Earth was hers.
She tried to run from the despair
by smiling and telling us not to
lose hope, but it caught up with
her. The truth is, I'll never know
becuase it's...

Suddenly the emotion Lee has been sitting on erupts. He
begins to sob uncontrollably.

LEE
-- too frakking late.

Lee suffers a convulsion of grief. Kara's frozen by the
specatcle. This kind of raw emotion terrifies her. She
wants to bolt from the room, and keep running, like she did
the day her mother told her she has cancer. Kara almost does
run. But this time she finds the courage to reach out...
Strokes the back of his head. Takes him into her arms.
Holds him as he cries.

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What a scene huh?

I wonder if it was ever shot? It's close enough to the scene we got that you would think it was, but then again the scene has never popped up so who knows?

Kara being there for Lee when she is an emotional wreck at this point, would have been an awesome moment for her and for their complicated ship.

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WOW. Love that scene. I totally agree with your assessment. *sigh* That would have done so much.

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Thanks for sharing this, too! I always love to find out more about what was planned, and I really like the image of Kara comforting him, I think it could have been beautiful.

But, in a way, I'm actually glad they didn't play it to that extent of emotion. It feels more like Lee to contain his grief, and I don't really think he would have allowed himself to break down over Dee in front of Kara any more than he allowed himself to break down over Kara in front of Dee. I think it's one of the more fascinating aftereffects of their messed-up romantic entanglements that he somehow never feels *allowed* to openly grieve; he never really has the right. That's just how it strikes me, anyway.

Plus, we shippers were upset enough that his only major emotional meltdown onscreen was over the lost wedding ring -- I think if he completely lost it again over Dee we would feel even more like his emotional reactions were out of sync with his established relationships with Dee and Kara. Losing Kara didn't break him, and neither did losing Dee, but he blamed himself to a certain extent for both deaths and that guilt served to smother his freedom to mourn them, I think.

And I do love JB and KS in this scene as filmed -- I got a sense that Kara was quietly supporting him without making any obvious gestures, and I love the contrast between Lee's matter-of-fact, clear-eyed regret and his father's drunken, self-indulgent despair.

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I see your point, maybe that's why it was cut.

I know that the majority of shippers take Lee crying in TAB as just him crying over his lost wedding ring, but at the time I didn't take it that way, and I still don't.

I just felt like it was the whole situation getting to him. In his heart of hearts he wants nothing more then to be with Kara, but he's scared to death of having Kara crush him again. The ring in the episode became symbolic of that decision. So losing it finally pushed him over the edge. I always felt he was crying more for Kara in that moment then Dee.

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In his heart of hearts he wants nothing more then to be with Kara, but he's scared to death of having Kara crush him again. The ring in the episode became symbolic of that decision. So losing it finally pushed him over the edge. I always felt he was crying more for Kara in that moment then Dee.

I love this interpretation; it's like Lee can't summon the courage to take the leap of faith that Kara won't destroy him again as she did in "Unfinished Business" but he also feels (rightfully!) that he's not a good husband to Dee, and the ring comes to symbolize all those bad choices he's made. If he could only find the ring, maybe he can put things right?

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I always felt he was crying more for Kara in that moment then Dee.

I'll split the difference with you and put it in just a slightly different way -- I think he was crying for himself in that moment more than for Kara or Dee. You're really right that the whole situation was getting to him, and I think he finally broke down at the utter mess his life felt like, and the way he was sick to death of feeling miserable and guilty and confused. He just couldn't take it anymore, and I don't think he wanted to live with his own emotions any longer, he just had to make a decision and be done with it. And let's face it, any relationship with Kara was going to be a roller coaster and it was going to take a lot of work and trust and patience and risk, and he just didn't have it in him anymore. He folded. And you're right, I think losing the ring was basically symbolic for "I've made a mess of my life and become a person I can't even respect anymore." In his mind, I think it seemed like trying to make things work with Kara had turned him into a person he didn't like. So he made up his mind to try and do right by Dee, and hoped to find some inner peace as a result. He had about as much luck with that as we might expect, of course, given that their marriage was a mistake from the beginning. But all of this adds up to a boatload of guilt about the way he handled both relationships which I think would make him fight the impulse to seek comfort for his losses later on.

But, all that being said, we definitely needed more hugs in that last season! I would love to have seen one or both of them comforting each other about the mess of Old Earth without the Dee complications thrown in.

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I got a sense that Kara was quietly supporting him without making any obvious gestures, and I love the contrast between Lee's matter-of-fact, clear-eyed regret and his father's drunken, self-indulgent despair.

Yes, I agree. (I'm ... thinking about fic on that theme too, actually. In my head, Lee, unlike everyone else on Galactica doesn't succumb to the same despair at the state of earth because even though the Temple of Aurora is a ruin, Kara is there beside him. I was always struck by how he looks at the jacks that Dee picked up from the beach - how maybe in that moment he thinks about how little he actually knew her?)

In general, I think talky scenes where people say what other people were thinking just don't work that well. The actors were good enough to display such subtle emotion that unsubtle writing did them a disservice, IMO.

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Oh, I love this story idea and I really hope you'll write it! I think he knew what Earth meant and why it was important to so many people, but I think he grieved for others more than for himself at the thought that it was a sham. You can see that in SaGN; he doesn't talk about his own crushed hopes, he talks about the pilots who died for the dream and says he doesn't want *their* sacrifice to be meaningless. He doesn't need Earth for himself, he needs it for the fleet and for the pilots and maybe especially for Roslin and his father. But in his heart what he really needed was a miracle a lot simpler and more personal than that - Kara - and he got her (for a little while). It reminds me of a line in a children's story called The Last Unicorn: "No sorrow can live in me beside that joy."

I think Lee delivers basically the perfect epitaph to the Lee/Dee relationship in that SaGN scene: "But the truth is...I'll never know." I think that's exactly right. He'll never know why Dee made the choice she did, but more than that -- he'll never really know her, because he never really did. It's a wonderful way to express his regret, because it's honest.

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I love this story idea and I really hope you'll write it!

I was sort of planning it as a companion to "Lux Aeterna" - because I always wanted to know what was going on in Lee's head after Dee killed herself. (I'm sure some of it was guilt because that's how he rolls!) And I think there are really interesting parallels to Kara's death in that, as you said, Lee seems never to be able to publicly mourn his dead (in part because his father always gets there first and monopolizes the grief!)

No sorrow can live in me beside that joy

Gorgeous! And yes, true, I think. This is at least partly why Lee - who's almost destroyed by Roslin's actions in season 2 - can overcome the loss of Earth and be so functional when everyone else around is so broken by that.

And agree on the never really knowing Dee - although part of me thinks we can never know another person that well, I think for Lee, some of it is that he never TRIED to know her the way he tried to know, say, Kara.

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I think for Lee, some of it is that he never TRIED to know her the way he tried to know, say, Kara.

Very good point, I really agree. I think Dee got a lot of his time but not much of his attention. That's my impression, anyway. I think he got a lot of her attention, and the series was always trying to establish that she knew him really well, but I have my doubts on that score, as well. She knew about his feelings for Kara, certainly. But I think her disgusted alienation during Baltar's trial is a sign that there were a lot of other aspects to his personality that she didn't understand.

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Yeah it would have.

Makes me wonder if there was a similar scene for Lee to comfort Kara after Sam got shot.

I want to see the scripts for all of season 4 cause I think a number of things got cut. Mainly because when they were on screen they seem close despite the fact they weren't in many scenes together. Makes me think there must have been more we didn't see.

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Hello all, I'm new to the BSG phenomenon and this community so I thought I'd pop my head up and introduce myself. I come from a part of the world that uses region 4 dvds, and the deleted scenes were never included on those versions of the series. So I'm asking if any of you know of any torrents, youtube links etc. that included the deleted scenes. I've looked around but have only found a couple so far. Can anyone help? I feel like I'm missing out on a whole section of almost-canon K/L shipping goodness... Thanks!

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I have exactly the same problem. I have found a few scenes on you tube, but that's it. I've downloaded those and don't have the links anymore. But sci_fi_shipper put some together on her page a couple of weeks ago. Here is the address: http://sci-fi-shipper.livejournal.com/44548.html

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Hey! I recognized your icon from ff.net. Welcome!!!

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