Daily Pilots Post

[lyras.livejournal.com]

Hi everyone! Firstly, I'm sorry I've been a bit quiet on the commenting front over the past couple of days. It's harder for me to get online at weekends. *eyes nosy boyfriend* I will hopefully catch up with comments later today!

The answers to Friday's 'guess the episode' quiz have been edited into the post, in case you'd like to check them out.

Okay, your final prompt for the week is:

unfinished business

As always, feel free to post anything you like in response, as long as it's to do with Kara and Lee. :)

My final question for you all is: what do you feel are Kara's and Lee's best and worst traits, and how do these traits affect their relationship?

For me, in both cases their worst traits can also be their best, depending on the situation. Kara is so unforgiving (for example, of Gaeta in season 3), but I feel this is because she gives so much of herself in any situation, and she can't understand why others don't do the same. She treats herself just as harshly as she treats others ("Because I'm a frak-up, Lee", she says early on in the show). Similarly, Lee can be ridiculously stubborn, but the points he tends to be stubborn about are those that his sense of honour requires him to uphold.

I think what I love about their relationship in the final two seasons (and there is much I don't love) is the way both Kara and Lee confront the worst about each other and end up in complete acceptance. Kara, in a way, is willing to encourage Lee in his desire to be honourable even when he himself isn't really sure where he's heading. And Lee's unconditional support for Kara in those later seasons just makes me swoon.

Thoughts?

Comments

Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

I agree that Kara mixes surprising depths of loyalty into her relationship with Sam at certain points, but her professed casual attitude toward cheating - the idea that she's not really betraying Sam by starting an affair with Lee so long as she doesn't divorce him - has never made much sense to me. I think you're right that Kara has the capacity to detach physicality and sex from emotion, but I definitely don't think she does that when she's with Lee. An affair with him is emotionally as well as physically serious, and I'm not sure how she expected to conduct that within the context of fidelity to Sam in whatever sense fidelity actually mattered to her. What did she think she was giving Sam by refusing to divorce?

Both Lee and Kara were ready to hurt their spouses in order to be together. Lee thought it was less hurtful to divorce Dee than to stay married to her while making love to another woman. Kara apparently held the opposite view. Sam stayed married to her although he knew that she cheated on him, which I suppose one might consider evidence of unconditional love, but it doesn't seem very healthy or honest to me. Sam clearly wanted the cheating to stop, but rather than confronting Kara about it he focused on the third party in the equation, Lee, and tried to shame him into stopping. Dee did the same thing to Kara, and that has always bothered me, actually. I'm not saying that the spouses had no right to blame "the other woman" or "the other man," but Lee was the one cheating on Dee, and Kara was the one cheating on Sam, and those were the people who needed to face each other and talk honestly about what they expected from one another.

Anyhow, sorry to putter on.

Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I do wonder what kind of understanding (if any) Kara and Sam had. Because, although it's a controversial line for a lot of people (including the actors!), Sam says Kara's cheated on him before. He doesn't sound happy about that but I've never fully been able to buy that he just says it to irritate Lee (which is how Katee and Trucco personally have said they interpreted that line). (Probably because I know RDM loves the idea that Kara cheats and has some weird fascination with cheating women. So I think the implication and intention was very likely that Kara cheated on Sam from time to time. Which I don't find that hard to believe either.)

I do think the way the scene was shot and the expressions/body language of the K/L sex scene meant yes, Kara felt more emotional about the sex with Lee in UB. But...to play devil's advocate, there's also Scar--where she was pretty unattached even though she was with Lee. *shrugs*

I do think the reason the UB sex scene stands out is because it's very different from all the other sex scenes they showed for Kara, because it is imbued with more emotion.

Unconditional love isn't always healthy or honest, probably when you think about it.

Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Good points. Before congratulating someone on unconditional love, I guess one should ask whether there are any conditions that *should* matter :)

Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I agree that Kara mixes surprising depths of loyalty into her relationship with Sam at certain points, but her professed casual attitude toward cheating - the idea that she's not really betraying Sam by starting an affair with Lee so long as she doesn't divorce him - has never made much sense to me

Given everything we know (as well as my own assumptions, of course lol) about Kara, the only way it makes sense to me is because , regardless of how long she was in a steady relationship with him (4, 6 months, a year), she was never that strongly committed (romantically speaking) to him in the first place. My shipper-biased (?) heart doesn't believe she would be able to make such subtle distinctions had she ever really entered a relationship with Lee ( or with Zac, for that matter - drunk-table-near fraks notwithstanding )

Both Lee and Kara were ready to hurt their spouses in order to be together. Lee thought it was less hurtful to divorce Dee than to stay married to her while making love to another woman. Kara apparently held the opposite view

Absolutely.