Daily Pilots Post

[lyras.livejournal.com]

Hi everyone! Firstly, I'm sorry I've been a bit quiet on the commenting front over the past couple of days. It's harder for me to get online at weekends. *eyes nosy boyfriend* I will hopefully catch up with comments later today!

The answers to Friday's 'guess the episode' quiz have been edited into the post, in case you'd like to check them out.

Okay, your final prompt for the week is:

unfinished business

As always, feel free to post anything you like in response, as long as it's to do with Kara and Lee. :)

My final question for you all is: what do you feel are Kara's and Lee's best and worst traits, and how do these traits affect their relationship?

For me, in both cases their worst traits can also be their best, depending on the situation. Kara is so unforgiving (for example, of Gaeta in season 3), but I feel this is because she gives so much of herself in any situation, and she can't understand why others don't do the same. She treats herself just as harshly as she treats others ("Because I'm a frak-up, Lee", she says early on in the show). Similarly, Lee can be ridiculously stubborn, but the points he tends to be stubborn about are those that his sense of honour requires him to uphold.

I think what I love about their relationship in the final two seasons (and there is much I don't love) is the way both Kara and Lee confront the worst about each other and end up in complete acceptance. Kara, in a way, is willing to encourage Lee in his desire to be honourable even when he himself isn't really sure where he's heading. And Lee's unconditional support for Kara in those later seasons just makes me swoon.

Thoughts?

Comments

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I know it may seem like hairsplitting, but to me it always seemed like Kara=denial and Lee=repression and that particular cocktail of emotional frakitude just never allowed them to get it together. Sigh. I also feel (and think I'm in the minority here) that canon made Kara's love for Lee the very obvious text in S1, more so than the reverse. Because although you could read his distress about her being gone in YCGHA as a romantic thing, that wasn't totally clear. Whereas Kara's reaction to him being dead and the way it lingered on her smiling face when he walked away to the ready room in the mini, plus her flirty wanna give me a bath bit, plus her face at the end of Hand of God, plus the dressing up for him in Colonial Day. Well, that's a lot of plusses, ain't it? ;)

It's interesting to me how canon seeemd to make Kara pine for Lee in S1, and Lee pine for Kara in S2, then S3 they finally got it together sorta briefly, then illicitly, then back to friendship. And then sadly s4/4.5 was just a mess of mostly nothingness. I really do think that the writers had felt they'd done everything with that romance that they could....short of giving them a happy ending, and Kara's death invalidated that as a possibility. Grrr.

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

I'm with you in your minority, I guess, because I agree that in most of Season One Kara seemed far more aware of her attraction to Lee than vice versa. I'm not 100% sure she was already in love with him, or that Lee was already in love with her and repressing it; I think it actually might not have gone beyond attraction and comaraderie and a sense of potential at that stage. But I think we can agree that whatever was going on with their emotions, Kara was on a faster track. I think Colonial Day was basically Lee's first serious wake-up call in the romantic sense. He gave evidence of caring deeply about Kara before that, but he seemed to consider his own feelings confusing and somewhat familial (he said to his father in YCGHA: "Why did we do this? For Kara? For Zak?" He seemed aware that whatever was driving him to find her at all costs was both powerful and inarticulate, and still tied in to their complicated history. Though he also said that he thought the President was wrong to attribute their actions to unresolved feelings for Zak.)

I agree with your breakdown of Season One (Kara pines), Season Two (Lee pines), and Season Three (hate, infidelity, friendship). I actually love them in every scene they have together in Season Four/Four-Point-Five. You're right that they are not put together very often, and probably right that this was a deliberate choice on the part of the writers because the only thing left for them would have been an actual happy and functional relationship, in large part because the characters simply could not have been realistically held back from that for any longer.

I guess it makes me an odd shipper in that I love Season Four/Four-Point-Five and Season Two the best of all. I think they are just gorgeous with each other at these times. Season Three is my least favorite, and in Season One they seem utterly adorable but still percolating :)

I'm sure I'm now in a way smaller minority than you are! :)

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Ironically I love those two seasons the best also. Although it's hard to choose. I do kind of love every single interaction they had with the exception of some of the finale. Even when they were hurting each other, as I was watching, I loved it as a compelling story and just counted it all as bumps in the road. But little did I know their road was a Dead End. :(

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

Perhaps you are not such a minority. And it would be a nice idea for a poll.

Anyway, season 3 is my least favorite as well.

I'd say my favorite one is season 2. I love everything about: the mutiny arc, the Pegasus arc, Scar, of course... I also like season 1 a lot.

But I'm kind of torn about season 4. I love every single L/K interaction there. And of course, the mutiny arc again (I never though mutinies could be so entertaining hee), and the alliance with the rebel cylons. But at the same time, I feel it was in this season that the show lost its way by becoming all mystical. *sighs*

(Of course all would have been forgiven if they had managed to get Lee and Kara a more acceptable end).

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I really loved this:Kara=denial and Lee=repression. Well put! I guess I never really thought of it this way, but it makes a lot of sense.

canon seeemd to make Kara pine for Lee in S1, and Lee pine for Kara in S2,

This also makes sense to me. It is not that he didn't love her, but he repressed it so well. And in season 2, when he started to kind of surrender to those feelings and to recognize them for what they were, he was no longer safe, and she started to run. She knew she loved him all along, but the possibility that the feeling might be returned, that would make things complicated and she was so used to not having what she wanted, she was comfortable in that place. I never thought of it this way. I like it. But it makes so sad all over again. :(

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Yeah everything kind of leads to sadness when you think about their missed chances and wasted time and dreadful ending. :(

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Aw! I think it's time for a CHEERFULNESS INTERVENTION.

Remember that thing where Kara and Lee are AWESOME???

And SO IN LOVE??? LIKE, 4EVAH???

DUDES.

This is why we have ice skating and (SOON??) snow angels, right?

Kara/Lee. Is all.

Q.E.D.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

Yes, great reminder!!!

And I do need to get up to date with ice pilots! I'm two chapters behind right now and that is simply unforgivable!

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Heh. I have to check the draft again--snow angels may have never made it out of my head....

But yes, new chapter soon. This week definitely.