Daily Pilots Post

[dramaturgca.livejournal.com]

Wow, you guys are brilliant and the conversation this week has been awesome. It's been great hosting this week of DPP and I'm looking forward to my next turn in August.

To close out this DPP week, it's a Free-For-All! What do you want to say to K/L shippers? To the pilots themselves? To the world at large?

I would like to say thank you to this amazing community who welcomed me in and I hope we keep going strong. After all, there's a million and one things we haven't written yet!

Comments

Re: Ten Million Points... but should some of them be dropped on the instant recall?

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

If he would have just stopped and said - hey you don't look so sure - but no, he barreled on through blindly.

I guess if he had realized that, he might have had a better chance. I'm not sure how well it would have worked but if she at least hadn't got married, it would have been worth it. But, and maybe I'm being absolutely biased here, I can't find fault in his overall behavior there. As they say, hindsight is always 20/20, right? Looking at his face when he said he needed and loved her, you could see how emotional the whole thing was for him. He might not have realized at all there was a problem (being a tad insensitive and self-centered, as I think is your interpretation) or he might have thought she was just overwhelmed by their admissions and was just feeling very emotional herself. The fact is he didn't have reason to think there was really anything so wrong because he never realized her issues ran so deep nor the exact nature of them. Also, he didn't have time to realize anything was wrong because she was gone without a word the next morning. I really recommend you read Rachel's answer to Karin's question above because, although we share the exact same opinion on this, she expresses it in such a clear, beautiful way that if I wasn't already in love with the whole scene, I would have certainly fallen in love with it after reading what she wrote.


Yeah, don't kill me, but there is a lot of talk about how incredibly loyal Kara is. In that moment - that horrible terrible morning that she made that decision - she was being loyal TO SAM.

Don't worry,bb. No death threats from me. LOL
But I couldn't DISAGREE more with you on this. Not the Kara is loyal part, but the she was being loyal to Sam part. I really don't see it. At all.

We talked a lot of this thread about Lee's self-deceiving skills. I for one don't think he was the only one with such abilities and I strongly believe Kara cared a lot for Sam, she might even have convinced herself she loved him at same point (pretty much like Lee tried to believe he loved Dee), but, to my mind, that was not the issue there.

First, being loyal and being faithful are not necessarily the same thing. The idea of being unfaithful to her husband didn't seem to bother her very much during the "affair" with Lee. And, if we are to believe Sam himself, Lee wouldn't even have been her first fling then. And that was after the made her vows in front of the gods. So, before that, it would have been easier. I think she was always loyal to both of them, though, meaning I believe she would do anything for them (or for anybody she loved in any kind of capacity - friend, family, lover...). She is the kind of person who sticks by you through tough times.

Second, the way she treated Sam while they were married was pretty awful sometimes. In UBEX, for example, after she had sex with him (while remembering her one night with Lee, I might add), he said he wanted a real marriage and that maybe he wasn't what she really wanted. To which she replied, in a very nonchalant way I believe: "If that is what you think, I won't try to change your mind" (or something like this). And she left for the dance. Just like that. She wasn't really invested in the relationship.

So, I don't believe for a second it played any significant part in explaining her actions that morning.

Re: Ten Million Points... but should some of them be dropped on the instant recall?

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the loyalty to sam is a new idea for me. I am not wholly convinced, but I have never quite felt completely sold on the idea that Kara ran JUST because she was afraid. Yes, mostly, but not completely. The thing that planted the loyalty to sam idea in my head was that I was trying to imagine Kara's state of mind before that night with Lee. As a shipper, I feel like I romanticize the encounter (and with good reason no less) that here they are finally - two people that have been in love without acting upon it. Finally!!

But - I was also struck by how unfortunate the timing actually was. From everything I can remember, Kara and Sam were in a relationship. I'm not saying they were engaged or anything, but they were in a relationship and seemed very close - calling each other Baby and Honey that very morning. The deleted scenes show them happily interacting with the Tighs and seeming all cozy together. Then she sleeps with Lee. It was dark, they were drunk, desperate, etc. I guess Kara holding some form of concern for Sam helps me understand why she would go back to him. Maybe it's crazy, I don't know. I guess that I come from the perspective that Kara did love Sam, just not the same way or with the soulmate intensity that she had for Lee. The loyalty to Sam is a small point for me, but I thought it was worth exploring.

Thanks for not killing me. Hee. LOL!

Re: Ten Million Points... but should some of them be dropped on the instant recall?

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I meant also to say that I essentially agree that there was nothing wrong with what Lee said. He revealed his heart as he felt it. Kara seemed to agree. All of what we see and think about Lee did not see. That makes my heart hurt, but he didn't/couldn't/didn't want to see her doubts. I wish he could have. (Again, I think the gods for fic.)