Daily Pilots Post

[dramaturgca.livejournal.com]

Wow, you guys are brilliant and the conversation this week has been awesome. It's been great hosting this week of DPP and I'm looking forward to my next turn in August.

To close out this DPP week, it's a Free-For-All! What do you want to say to K/L shippers? To the pilots themselves? To the world at large?

I would like to say thank you to this amazing community who welcomed me in and I hope we keep going strong. After all, there's a million and one things we haven't written yet!

Comments

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

I'm enjoying your comments on Lee and Bill :) What you said about the way Bill's impression of Lee as an angry teenager seemed to linger for a long time reminded me of something that Ron Moore said. In his podcast for 'Hand of God,' he suggested that in Season One Lee felt strongly that the people around him were underestimating him.

I went to look up the transcript of that podcast, and I found these little excerpts:

(About the "don't frak it up by over-thinking" scene between Kara and Lee): I like the fact that they're at each other again, that she really doesn't think he's up to it. That's what comes through. And that he's pissed about it, and he doesn't like it, he thinks he is up to it. Or at least wants a chance to prove it.

(About the giving-him-the-lighter scene between Adama and Lee): Again, it's Lee realizing what the people around him think of him, which I think is an interesting way of going at this - that here's this handsome, heroic lead pilot character in the drama, who starts to realize that the people around him - his own father, his best friend - don't really think he's up to snuff. That his dad...thinks that he might not come back and gives him a lucky charm (laugh) to guide him back and to...kind of spunk him up. And that Starbuck has to stand in rooms and sort of walk him through all the tactics. And it kinda - I think it's a weight that the character carries with him. And it's the determination - (right here) it's the determination in Lee that I think is most telling. He's tenacious, he is not somebody who gives up easily and...probably throughout his life I think many people have underestimated Lee Adama.

I like those observations, I think they do capture something about his early dynamics with his father.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

Really interesting comments. I didn't know that.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Those transcripts are very interesting - I have to admit that I've never read any of them. I actually remember being surprised that Kara didn't think Lee was up to the task. I felt like it was Kara's own pissed-off attitude and resentment that she was not the one doing the heroics for a change. I didn't really read the scene the way RDM talks about it.

I also don't see that people underestimated lee that much. I always felt that people expected too much of him and that he struggled to give what they expected. Maybe if I turn that around it can approximate people not feeling like he's up to snuff - I don't know. He always seems to deliver when he needs to - but maybe that's after this episode? I mean there is Kara's opinion about his deficits as a CAG at least twice and his overthinking it the one time (if not more). Is it after the tylium mission that people start to respect him? Was it missing before? I'm feeling a bit uncertain about his changing role as is applies to the expectations of other people. There are tremendous pressures placed upon him, pressures he did not ask for, yet there they were and everyone had their eyes on him. When did he disappoint where it actually mattered? Was he a little soft on pilots? Sometimes, yes. Did it get anyone killed? Don't think so. (Whereas Kat blamed kara for the nugget's death in Scar.)

Heh. I totally feel defensive about Lee right now - this is why I don't read the commentaries! LOL. I think I'm going to go off and think a little more before I keep typing myself into a frenzy. :D:D

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

Interesting. I never felt that people expected too much of him especifically. And I don't think it is a matter of lack of respect for him or that anybody was disappointed exactly. I think again it is about the fact that people didn't know him. So I think it makes sense for people to underestimate him. He was very young. He had just been promoted to captain. He would never have made CAG so soon if it weren't for the attacks. In fact, we were told the position became his by default since there simply wasn't anybody else with sufficient rank alive to do it. He didn't belong in that ship. And to top it all, he was the commander's son and he had an attitude. So, yes, it makes sense for people not to have great expectations and to have quite reservations about his qualifications to lead them in a time of war. That his own father felt the same way would hurt / bother him more. But then again, we established before he didn't know his son very well either. As for Kara, well...I'd imagine for the most part it was what you said: "pissed-off attitude and resentment that she was not the one doing the heroics for a change".

No need to drive into a frenzy over this. There are plenty of us to help defend Apollo's honor. Don't worry. ;D