[identity profile] dramaturgca.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] no_takebacks
Wow, you guys are brilliant and the conversation this week has been awesome. It's been great hosting this week of DPP and I'm looking forward to my next turn in August.

To close out this DPP week, it's a Free-For-All! What do you want to say to K/L shippers? To the pilots themselves? To the world at large?

I would like to say thank you to this amazing community who welcomed me in and I hope we keep going strong. After all, there's a million and one things we haven't written yet!
From: [identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

I don't believe he was lying to them either. I think he meant it both times...but that's why it bothers me. We can fanwank it and interpret it all we want, but it bugs me that the words he says to them both are almost identical. And they make Lee seem selfish honestly. Which I don't think he truly is (though he and Kara both share the tendency to self-absorption obviously). I just think Lee is really, horribly good at lying to himself and telling himself whatever he needs to believe in the moment.

As I said to Kag above, they're both such emotional frakups, but sometimes I forget that with Lee, because he's so functional most of the time.
From: [identity profile] damao2010.livejournal.com
"they're both such emotional frakups, but sometimes I forget that with Lee, because he's so functional most of the time. "

LOL. He does hide it better. But he is certainly as fraked up as she is.

"They make Lee seem selfish honestly. Which I don't think he truly is."

I agree with you. But one the things I like about BSG is that you can't find the stereotypical hero there. You have lots of really good people (like Kara and Lee) who are as emotioanally fraked up as anybody else.

"I just think Lee is really, horribly good at lying to himself and telling himself whatever he needs to believe in the moment."

Absolutely. ;D
Everybody has their defense mechanisms and they are not usually pretty. In my country, we say (in a free translation) that "under close inspection, nobody is sane". That is so true. LOL
From: [identity profile] rachelindeed.livejournal.com
Hee! After writing a comment below, I came back up the page and found most of my thoughts once again anticipated :) Lovely analysis, throughout. You and Taragel both give Lee's speech to Dee about need in TABFAYW more a bit more credence than I did ~ but I think perhaps we are all seeing it as a sign of his talent for self-deception. I loved your point about how Dee became safe and desirable once 'need' and 'happiness' once again proved incompatible for him. What a great point!

When my husband first watched the Lee/Dee proposal scene, I told him how much I disliked it and he said, "Oh, I don't know. It seems to fit Lee's particular brand of desperate insincerity."

Desperate insincerity -- not his finest quality, but definitely very much on display at the end of UBEX :)
From: [identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
Heh. Desperate insincerity. Guess he really was cut out to be a politician.
From: [identity profile] rachelindeed.livejournal.com
Yep :)

I think "Desperate Insincerity" can be the name of his (jazz?) band. They can play the opening sets before "Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny."

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