DPP: Vent at Joe's Bar

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

Hey, I know I said I was going to post a two day thing? Eh... I changed my mind! :D I'm not sure if we've done this one before but I figured I'm going to go for it anyways. Tomorrow's post is going to come a little bit late in the day and I might do the two-day challenge then, because it's a little involved and takes a bit more time.

Anyways, what are we venting at Joe's about? 

Unpopular Pilots (and other Fandom) Opinions.

I thought some of these might be coming up since we've been thinking so much about the scenes and the voting. Ever feel alone in what you think? Are you afraid to speak your mind sometimes because the other shippers don't agree with your opinion? Well pull up a barstool, get a drink, and spill it. Bartenders are, of course, the everyman's therapist.

Comments

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

I don't hate the Daybreak flashbacks. I know everyone else hates them, but I totally bought it. Kara and Lee were young, drunk, obviously attracted to each other, cocky Viper jocks who thought they were invincible. Yeah, Kara loved Zak, but she loved Sam too and she had no problem cheating on him. And Lee clearly was no saint either.

I love that they instantly had a connection and that fire between them, and they couldn't help but act on it. I have no doubt that they wouldn't have gone through with it if not for that stupid glass. I wonder how much they would have regretted it, too. We don't really know what either of them were like back then, or just how much Zak's death changed them both. All we ever saw was after, except for these brief glimpses.

It just felt like an affirmation of the years I spent watching the show. They felt it right from the start, and it never went away. AND THEY ALMOST HAD SEX ON A TABLE. And then they almost did it on a table again in Scar.

Also, this quote, that I know everyone hates:

TVGuide.com: Were the Lee, Zak and Kara flashbacks your way of telling us that Lee and Kara were wonderful, but were never meant to be together?
Moore: Yeah, I kind of felt that Kara and Lee had never really left a moment in time on the table. They were kind of trapped in that moment perpetually of wanting, longing, feeling but never being able to fully enjoy it or fully embrace it. They just really never left that place as characters.

I think this is absolutely true - up until Six of One. And that's where the writers dropped the ball, because they DID get Lee and Kara off that table. Islanded cements that. It's just a shame that they were never given their chance.

And I still don't have a table icon. Sigh.

[shah-of-blah.livejournal.com]

I love your reasoning, and I love that you brought in that quote. I have to agree. I thought it was quite tragic, and fairly accurate to say they had been trapped in that impossible moment of perpetually wanting something they can't have. But as you said, they did get past that, they did get off the table.

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

I actually really liked that quote of his, I just disagree that they never did get off the table. Season 4 showed that they had. All Kara had to do was die! Heh. The fact that she actually WENT to LEE after finding her body is a huge tell. S2 Kara would NEVER have done that.

[coffeesuperhero.livejournal.com]

GIRL. WORD WORD WORD. THIS is the unpopular opinion I was coming here to express. I think that it shows very definitively how drawn to each other they are-- aaaaaaand I'll go even further and say that I'd thought something like that had happened ever since the miniseries. When Kara pulls that photo out of her locker, that was my first thought.

I just wanted them to get off the table and stay off the damn table, is all. That it happened doesn't bother me. Which is weird, because usually I have issues with infidelity, but for some reason that scene doesn't bother me.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

hen Kara pulls that photo out of her locker, that was my first thought.

YES, that pic! I always thought that their relationship was not as platonic as it seemed --mainly because of that pic. I mean, why would someone fold a photo that way? *g*

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

YES!!!! There was so clearly SO MUCH between them that wasn't just "I almost married your brother" right from the start that OBVIOUSLY something had happened between them. This is why I wish they'd peppered flashbacks throughout the back 10 of S4.5, not just Daybreak. Everyone had such different lives before they were all forced on the run, I would have loved to see more backstory.

I just wish the writers would have followed through with all the character development, because they DID get there, and then they got nothing because Kara left on Demetrius and after that they just left it hanging. sigh.

Table Icons

[kag523.livejournal.com]

Just cause I LOVED your explanation of the table...

(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/?action=view&current=tempted.jpg)

(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/?action=view&current=tempted2.jpg)

Re: Table Icons

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

Hee!! Love it. LOOK AT THEM. Oh man I love the table.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

You know I completely agree with you :)

And personally, I never disliked that RDM's quote that much. I think I understand what he was trying to convey, the fact that they could never make it work because, no matter how much they wanted it, it was never the right time for them. It's star-crossed lovers 100%. But as you say, they DID get off that table and grew up as human beings. And that's why it's so unfair that they never had the chance to have their happily ever after.

[helikedmyshoes.livejournal.com]

I really like that quote. There's a certain amount of poetry in it, it's kinda beautiful and tragic, just like pilots. I just wish he could've seen that they DID grow up, they did get off the table, and then they just kinda stood at opposite sides staring at each other, waiting for the writers to make a move. And they never followed through. It's really sad.