Daily Pilots Post: Hey, I Know You!
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no_takebacksI know you've done it. Seen a couple in a movie or TV show or read them in a book and said, "HEY! THAT'S LEE/KARA!" It makes sense, in a lot of ways. As ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
mlsky pointed out a few weeks back over in sci_fi_shipper's Write and Gripe community, the two of them are archetypal.
With Tara, we discussed movies that you wish would be made for Katee and Jamie to act in, or could see Katee and Jamie cast in, because the parts scream for their chemistry and/or remind us so much of Kara and Lee. I expect there will be some overlap here, but I want to hear about book (or play or other works of literature) characters that remind you of Pilots. Maybe, for whatever reason, they'll never end up on a screen, or the casting wouldn't work if it did, but these characters scream Lee and Kara for you.
Examples:
Eve and Rourk from J.D. Robb's In Death series. She's a feisty, broken, beautiful woman with a badly cut, dirty blond hair and hazel eyes. He's a suave, sophisticated, wealthy, dark haired man with his own troubled past and a set of piercing blue eyes. His accent holds a hint of Ireland, but the chemistry between them comes closer to the climate of Equador. And they both know about kicking ass, then taking names. I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're Kara and Lee in NYC in 2050. I may be off by a bit on the year.
Kat and Gail/Peeta from Suzanne Collins' Hunger Games series. This one isn't quite as obvious, but it's close. Kat resembles Kara in so many ways it's difficult to count, and I maintain that both Gail and Peeta have different aspects of Lee's personality. Peeta is the idealist and Gail is the fierce hunter. These kids are younger, and I think less broken that Kara and Lee were, but looking at them through that lens makes for an interesting study in what might have been when Pilots were younger.
Matrim Cauthon and Tuon (The Daughter of The Nine Moons) from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (which is being completed posthumously by Brandon Sanderson, using notes and outlines RJ made before his death, for those who were curious). This is easily the most abstracted comparison example I'm going to use. She's a petite, dark-skinned princess and he's a brash gambler and reluctant, if highly successful, general. But when you dig down, you see it. They're drawn to each other from the moment they meet. In this case, prophesy actually throws them together and sees them married, but there's a constant push and pull and vying for dominance between them that reminds me of the dance our beloved Pilots shared. She's aloof and critical and cold and fierce (and a shockingly good fighter), but her smiles transform her. He's crass and irreverent, macho and insane and luckier than any one person has any business being. Anyone else would have died pulling the stunts he pulls. Last I saw, though, circumstances had drawn them apart again, despite their marriage. And without even a goodbye kiss. They aren't the main pairing in the series, but they're the one I like best.
So, where have YOU seen reincarnations of our pilots?
mlsky pointed out a few weeks back over in sci_fi_shipper's Write and Gripe community, the two of them are archetypal.With Tara, we discussed movies that you wish would be made for Katee and Jamie to act in, or could see Katee and Jamie cast in, because the parts scream for their chemistry and/or remind us so much of Kara and Lee. I expect there will be some overlap here, but I want to hear about book (or play or other works of literature) characters that remind you of Pilots. Maybe, for whatever reason, they'll never end up on a screen, or the casting wouldn't work if it did, but these characters scream Lee and Kara for you.
Examples:
Eve and Rourk from J.D. Robb's In Death series. She's a feisty, broken, beautiful woman with a badly cut, dirty blond hair and hazel eyes. He's a suave, sophisticated, wealthy, dark haired man with his own troubled past and a set of piercing blue eyes. His accent holds a hint of Ireland, but the chemistry between them comes closer to the climate of Equador. And they both know about kicking ass, then taking names. I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're Kara and Lee in NYC in 2050. I may be off by a bit on the year.
Kat and Gail/Peeta from Suzanne Collins' Hunger Games series. This one isn't quite as obvious, but it's close. Kat resembles Kara in so many ways it's difficult to count, and I maintain that both Gail and Peeta have different aspects of Lee's personality. Peeta is the idealist and Gail is the fierce hunter. These kids are younger, and I think less broken that Kara and Lee were, but looking at them through that lens makes for an interesting study in what might have been when Pilots were younger.
Matrim Cauthon and Tuon (The Daughter of The Nine Moons) from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (which is being completed posthumously by Brandon Sanderson, using notes and outlines RJ made before his death, for those who were curious). This is easily the most abstracted comparison example I'm going to use. She's a petite, dark-skinned princess and he's a brash gambler and reluctant, if highly successful, general. But when you dig down, you see it. They're drawn to each other from the moment they meet. In this case, prophesy actually throws them together and sees them married, but there's a constant push and pull and vying for dominance between them that reminds me of the dance our beloved Pilots shared. She's aloof and critical and cold and fierce (and a shockingly good fighter), but her smiles transform her. He's crass and irreverent, macho and insane and luckier than any one person has any business being. Anyone else would have died pulling the stunts he pulls. Last I saw, though, circumstances had drawn them apart again, despite their marriage. And without even a goodbye kiss. They aren't the main pairing in the series, but they're the one I like best.
So, where have YOU seen reincarnations of our pilots?
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Date: 2010-04-21 04:17 pm (UTC)East of Eden isn't a romance, it's a story that parallels the fall of man with the theme of timshel (free will) vs. the sins of the fathers. Caleb and Aron Trask are the Cain and Abel set up, so the focus is mostly on their relationship, but Abra falls in love with Aron (Zak) first. Aron is the favored son and is literaly too good for this world. (he enlists because of Caleb - much too long to go into.) When Aron leaves, Abra finds herself falling in love with the heavily flawed and struggling Caleb.
Caleb and Abra share a love for Aron and a father figure. There are mother issues, Caleb is, literally, the son of a murderous whore. Their love is tangled with guilt and questions about fate and overcoming the sins of the past, but they begin to rise above it as they embrace their identities of individuals, and their legacy of Free Will (something that BSG obviously didn't let happen at the end.) You don't have a tied with a bow ending for them, but the love is there and the will is there, so you are given to understand that, as with all else, Caleb and Abra making it will be entirely their choice.
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Date: 2010-04-21 04:24 pm (UTC)I kinda like that the book isn't actually a romance, too. It's interesting to see these kinds of relationships set secondary to the larger story.
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Date: 2010-04-21 05:06 pm (UTC)East of Eden is one of my favorite books of all time. I highly recommend it.
I'm not a big romance reader, which probably sounds odd coming from a shipper. I love well done romance within the context of a story, but I generally lose patience and interest in novels/shows/movies that are based entirely on a romance.