Daily Pilots Post: Hey, I Know You!
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no_takebacksI know you've done it. Seen a couple in a movie or TV show or read them in a book and said, "HEY! THAT'S LEE/KARA!" It makes sense, in a lot of ways. As ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
mlsky pointed out a few weeks back over in sci_fi_shipper's Write and Gripe community, the two of them are archetypal.
With Tara, we discussed movies that you wish would be made for Katee and Jamie to act in, or could see Katee and Jamie cast in, because the parts scream for their chemistry and/or remind us so much of Kara and Lee. I expect there will be some overlap here, but I want to hear about book (or play or other works of literature) characters that remind you of Pilots. Maybe, for whatever reason, they'll never end up on a screen, or the casting wouldn't work if it did, but these characters scream Lee and Kara for you.
Examples:
Eve and Rourk from J.D. Robb's In Death series. She's a feisty, broken, beautiful woman with a badly cut, dirty blond hair and hazel eyes. He's a suave, sophisticated, wealthy, dark haired man with his own troubled past and a set of piercing blue eyes. His accent holds a hint of Ireland, but the chemistry between them comes closer to the climate of Equador. And they both know about kicking ass, then taking names. I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're Kara and Lee in NYC in 2050. I may be off by a bit on the year.
Kat and Gail/Peeta from Suzanne Collins' Hunger Games series. This one isn't quite as obvious, but it's close. Kat resembles Kara in so many ways it's difficult to count, and I maintain that both Gail and Peeta have different aspects of Lee's personality. Peeta is the idealist and Gail is the fierce hunter. These kids are younger, and I think less broken that Kara and Lee were, but looking at them through that lens makes for an interesting study in what might have been when Pilots were younger.
Matrim Cauthon and Tuon (The Daughter of The Nine Moons) from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (which is being completed posthumously by Brandon Sanderson, using notes and outlines RJ made before his death, for those who were curious). This is easily the most abstracted comparison example I'm going to use. She's a petite, dark-skinned princess and he's a brash gambler and reluctant, if highly successful, general. But when you dig down, you see it. They're drawn to each other from the moment they meet. In this case, prophesy actually throws them together and sees them married, but there's a constant push and pull and vying for dominance between them that reminds me of the dance our beloved Pilots shared. She's aloof and critical and cold and fierce (and a shockingly good fighter), but her smiles transform her. He's crass and irreverent, macho and insane and luckier than any one person has any business being. Anyone else would have died pulling the stunts he pulls. Last I saw, though, circumstances had drawn them apart again, despite their marriage. And without even a goodbye kiss. They aren't the main pairing in the series, but they're the one I like best.
So, where have YOU seen reincarnations of our pilots?
mlsky pointed out a few weeks back over in sci_fi_shipper's Write and Gripe community, the two of them are archetypal.With Tara, we discussed movies that you wish would be made for Katee and Jamie to act in, or could see Katee and Jamie cast in, because the parts scream for their chemistry and/or remind us so much of Kara and Lee. I expect there will be some overlap here, but I want to hear about book (or play or other works of literature) characters that remind you of Pilots. Maybe, for whatever reason, they'll never end up on a screen, or the casting wouldn't work if it did, but these characters scream Lee and Kara for you.
Examples:
Eve and Rourk from J.D. Robb's In Death series. She's a feisty, broken, beautiful woman with a badly cut, dirty blond hair and hazel eyes. He's a suave, sophisticated, wealthy, dark haired man with his own troubled past and a set of piercing blue eyes. His accent holds a hint of Ireland, but the chemistry between them comes closer to the climate of Equador. And they both know about kicking ass, then taking names. I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're Kara and Lee in NYC in 2050. I may be off by a bit on the year.
Kat and Gail/Peeta from Suzanne Collins' Hunger Games series. This one isn't quite as obvious, but it's close. Kat resembles Kara in so many ways it's difficult to count, and I maintain that both Gail and Peeta have different aspects of Lee's personality. Peeta is the idealist and Gail is the fierce hunter. These kids are younger, and I think less broken that Kara and Lee were, but looking at them through that lens makes for an interesting study in what might have been when Pilots were younger.
Matrim Cauthon and Tuon (The Daughter of The Nine Moons) from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (which is being completed posthumously by Brandon Sanderson, using notes and outlines RJ made before his death, for those who were curious). This is easily the most abstracted comparison example I'm going to use. She's a petite, dark-skinned princess and he's a brash gambler and reluctant, if highly successful, general. But when you dig down, you see it. They're drawn to each other from the moment they meet. In this case, prophesy actually throws them together and sees them married, but there's a constant push and pull and vying for dominance between them that reminds me of the dance our beloved Pilots shared. She's aloof and critical and cold and fierce (and a shockingly good fighter), but her smiles transform her. He's crass and irreverent, macho and insane and luckier than any one person has any business being. Anyone else would have died pulling the stunts he pulls. Last I saw, though, circumstances had drawn them apart again, despite their marriage. And without even a goodbye kiss. They aren't the main pairing in the series, but they're the one I like best.
So, where have YOU seen reincarnations of our pilots?
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Date: 2010-04-21 03:22 pm (UTC)I actually LOATHE Heathcliffe and Cathy for how destructive they were to everyone around them, but OTOH, that sort of fits Lee/Kara to a T, doesn't it?
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Date: 2010-04-21 03:32 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-04-21 03:49 pm (UTC)Hee! And spouting Hybrid-speak that Lee can't understand! Perfect!
I actually LOATHE Heathcliffe and Cathy for how destructive they were to everyone around them, but OTOH, that sort of fits Lee/Kara to a T, doesn't it?
I know that Healthcliff and Cathy are very doomed and destructive, but that love. Sometimes it's too big to be, like normal and sane, you know?
I can't help it. I'm a shipper. I love the LOVE. :-D
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Date: 2010-04-21 04:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-21 04:10 pm (UTC)Although the piloty goodness apparent in WH makes me consider getting the audio book for the car. :)
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Date: 2010-04-21 04:20 pm (UTC)Not a direct comparison, but close enough for me. Not only do I want to reread the book (I have it with me but no time, no time) but now I want to write something about Kara haunting Lee on Earth 2 or something. But I have NO TIME. Maybe someone else might write it!
Them being separated is completely unutterable. Sometimes I can't really believe that actually happened.
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Date: 2010-04-21 07:10 pm (UTC)As he rips up Lee's flight-suit! And I've cast Dee as St. John Rivers. I will hear nothing to the contrary :P
As for WH, I think it's mostly Heathcliff's treatment of the younger generation that irks me so much (it's not like they were responsible for the death of Cathy or the fact that he couldn't be with her. If the book had ended the way the Olivier film does, i.e. without the second generation shenanigans, I probably wouldn't hate H. so much :P)
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Date: 2010-04-22 05:19 am (UTC)Interesting. You didn't have issues with Healthcliff before? He isn't the most pleasant character, even in the beginning. But I do think he was treated badly both before and while he lived with the Earnshaws. I don't think that guy knew how to be a good person. I think he wanted revenge for wrongs done to him as a young man, not just because of Cathy. That guy was pretty damged even as a youth. But he had a chance once, you know when he was young? And her name was Catherine.
I'm such a romantic!
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Date: 2010-04-21 04:48 pm (UTC)That idea is UTTER win. :D
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Date: 2010-04-21 05:10 pm (UTC)(And I LOVE Sam as Berta in a tub.:))
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Date: 2010-04-21 06:57 pm (UTC)(I'm totally doing the "Jane Eyre" thing - I'm already amassing ideas for a possible week of Crack!Fic when I'm in charge of the DPP :P)