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What if… this were real?

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(There’s a certain willful suspension of disbelief that goes along with this discussion. Because you can’t rely on the idea that Lee and Kara were doomed from the beginning by RDM. For this discussion you have to assume that there is the real possibility that Kara and Lee could be a real couple in the run of the series.)

What happens if Kara slept with Lee instead of Baltar on Colonial Day?

Starting while I first watched YCGHA, I started mapping out how I would have made Kara and Lee a real couple while at the same time keeping them apart and interesting.

Date: 2012-07-30 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com
Great question. I for one would have loved to see a "sleep topether for all the wrong reasons" storyline but then have them continue to hookup throughout the series and be angsty and unhealthy and full of all the feelings but no talking about the feelings until they eventually worked out some kind of relatively normal/healthy relationship towards the end of the series.

Would have been a zillion times more interesting, imo.

Date: 2012-07-30 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] embolalia.livejournal.com
Even if their hook-up Scar had gone on for just a few more minutes... ;)

Date: 2012-07-30 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com
Exactly! Just get the sexin' out of the way so we can move on to more difficult emotional issues to tackle. Don't imbue it with some "they sex and then they are punished and murdered by zombies wielding axes" kind of horror movie logic.

Sex + story. It can happen. (i believe!)
Edited Date: 2012-07-30 05:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-30 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com
And it's so annoying that sex is equated with narrative resolution when in reality, sex very rarely resolves anything. It tends to complicate, not simplify, and there's a lot you can do with that storytelling-wise.

Date: 2012-07-30 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] word-vomity.livejournal.com
YES! So much this! The problem is because on television, sex is so often 'fade to black' or just this vague idea that's never actually explored beyond 'they had it' that it's almost always just used as a relationship stepping stone on the path to doom or marriage and fat babies. Idk. Like you said . . .

Sex + story. It can happen.

I really don't get why that is so difficult.
Edited Date: 2012-07-30 06:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-30 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com
It really shouldn't be. I think it's because our little sheltered, sexually stunted American brains are programmed to read sex=marriage=resolution and that's just not how it works. That's not when the story ends--that's when it's just getting good. And one does not necessarily follow the other.

Date: 2012-07-30 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
Exactly! Hell, that's what they did with UB, the sex ended up complicating things like WHOA. I don't see why multiple times wouldn't have made it as complicated as that once.

(and I would SO be down with an on-again/off-again relationship post-frak, especially if they're struggling to keep professional/personal boundaries etc, or be friends to each other while also being frak buddies)

Date: 2012-07-30 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] workerbee73.livejournal.com
and I would SO be down with an on-again/off-again relationship post-frak, especially if they're struggling to keep professional/personal boundaries etc

DUDE, I KNOW. It could be so gloriously messy and complicated.

**draws hearts around this idea**
Edited Date: 2012-07-30 08:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-30 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
Or if we'd got to SEE all the outmaking and clothing removal that happened between the rec room and their quarters...

I want the outtakes.

Image (http://s1062.photobucket.com/albums/t491/winegumsbsg/pilotgifs/?action=view&current=SCARMAKEOUT.gif)

Date: 2012-07-31 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kballgetlost.livejournal.com
Just lost the last 10 minutes of my life staring at this gif........10 minutes well spent, lol

Date: 2012-07-30 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
Hmm. I'm really glad it wasn't real because I love their UST so much and I would've been sad to trade it for RST so soon.

But I can imagine plenty of ways they'd have conflict as a couple though: residual guilt/fear/angst over Zak; whether or not to tell Bill (or tell anyone!); Lee siding with Laura v. Kara siding with Bill on things; CAG v. flight instructor disagreements; Lee's latent ambitions/depression; Kara's daredevil/hotheaded/commitmentphobic ways; being separated during a Pegasus arc; fighting over whether to settle or not on New Caprica, etc.

Date: 2012-07-30 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damao2010.livejournal.com
Back when we first saw this scene, we didn't know just how frakked up our dear pilots really were, so I was ecstatic for those few seconds. I really believed they could have pulled it off. :)

It would have been a whole different story, though. I mean, assuming the writers would either leave them remain a stablished couple till the end (with all the difficulties of relationships in general and life on the run/in wartime) or that their individual issues would somehow keep them apart without soap-opera like drama (in the form of poorly thought out love poligons).

Date: 2012-07-30 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosetteferaud.livejournal.com
Well, I guess I wouldn’t have minded that it was real but I have to admit that I am perfectly happy with them not hooking up so soon because their (relatively angst-free) UST was so delicious (I mean, things between them were always pretty angsty, but the real angst-fest started after the UST became RST IMO). But the route Bee mentions above would have been quite interesting (and super hot) to watch because of all the bonus sexing and angsting over said sexing. Yum.
Edited Date: 2012-07-30 05:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-30 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] embolalia.livejournal.com
Even beyond how their relationship would have changed, the WHOLE PLOT OF THE SHOW would be different. First, either they would have gone back to Caprica together or not at all - meaning Lee wouldn't have staged a mutiny, Kara and Sam wouldn't have met, Racetrack getting lost from the save-Sam mission and finding New Caprica might never have happened...and from there everything would have been different.

Relationship-wise, though, I think that if they'd had that moment of acknowledging physically or aloud that they both recognized the tension between them, the rest of their story would have been different. Not that there wouldn't have been angst or drama, but it wouldn't have come as often from a place of misconception or mistrust.

Date: 2012-07-30 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] embolalia.livejournal.com
RE-writing BSG is one of my favorite hobbies.

I'm pretty sure you're not the only one... :)

Date: 2012-07-30 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n-e-star.livejournal.com
See, I don't agree (if the writers were in the same space as they were by UB).

Kara sleeps with Lee, freaks out, runs to Caprica.

You still have the Caprician Resistance/Sam arc, you would still have the mission back (because even if Sam wasn't Kara's Tuw Luv, she would still want to keep her promise and get those people off of Caprica), you still have New Cap.

You just get to have hot Pilot!Sex, which would leave to even more tension (cus with pilots it's not the sex, it's everything else that causes the tension).

Date: 2012-07-30 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onlyariana.livejournal.com
Kara sleeps with Lee, freaks out, runs to Caprica

I could totally see that. Maybe you could even have them sleep together earlier in Colonial Day and then she freaks out (Lee might've even said he loved her or something like that during?) and sleeps with Baltar (ew) anyway. Then you still get everything, you could even keep the fake out sex!

Date: 2012-07-30 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] word-vomity.livejournal.com
I am actually a pretty big fan of long painful drawn out romances with lots of obstacles and stumbling blocks on the road to eventual happy sexy times, BUT I think if this was handled well, I would have been perfectly fine with it having gone down on Colonial Day. It's not like them getting into a naked wrestling match would've solved anything really between them anyways so we'd have still gotten the angst and the tension. Neither is it true that ST goes away after one go (usually the opposite really) so I don't think we would have lost anything by letting them have one good night before blowing their relationship back into smithereens like we know the writers would have. It could've still actually followed a damn near identical path as we actually got if we assume guilt caused one or both of them to react poorly the next day. Guilt instead of jealousy and BOOM, same outcome as canon.

For this discussion you have to assume that there is the real possibility that Kara and Lee could be a real couple in the run of the series

Oh. Whoops. I always forget rule reading. Ha! Anyways, fine then if the early sexing leads to 'them-ness' of the secret & constantly on/off variety, that would be an interesting story to me. To be honest, just about every variation of Lee/Kara would have been interesting to me so . . .

For now that's where I'm at. In five minutes, I'll decide any lap hugs before New Caprica is the worst idea ever idea'd. ;p
Edited Date: 2012-07-30 06:55 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-30 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
Neither is it true that ST goes away after one go (usually the opposite really) so I don't think we would have lost anything by letting them have one good night before blowing their relationship back into smithereens like we know the writers would have.

Which is exactly what they did, with Unfinished Business. So much potential with that idea *sigh*

Date: 2012-07-30 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
*sigh* IF ONLY.

I mean, the epic blowout of KLG1 was what cemented me 100% firmly into the 'PILOTS OR NOTHING' camp because that was when I really knew how epic they were going to be and how much they'd have to overcome to be together, and I kind of love it for that (my stupid hopeful self, lol).

But I could absolutely be down with them frakking and then one or both of them freaking out completely/trying to dismiss it (I think this more of Kara than Lee). And then coming back for more, and becoming fuck buddies who never, ever talk about that part of their relationship because they just have too many FEELINGS? I could so be down with that. Or even if they pull a 'this never happened' either.

Other plot details that happen as a result of their actions can be resolved in other ways, but the frakking, GUH.

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