Let's bring out the worst...

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

We often talk about pilots’ bests – their best quality, their best scene, their best kisses, hugs, looks and so on.

They are far from perfect, though.

So, what about their worst? What would you say was:

- Lee’s worst flaw?

- Kara’s worst flaw?

- the worst  thing Lee ever did (to Kara, to himself and/or to others)?

- the worst thing Kara ever did (to Lee, to herself and/or to other)?

- Lee’s worst line in the show or his most OOC moment?

- Kara’s worst line in the show or her most OOC moment?

- the worst thing that was ever done to them?

- Kara's and Lee's worst look ever?

- their bestest moment, their most redeemable trait  or action, the one thing about them which makes us forget  all the bad stuff, no matter what (because we love them after all and we must never lose sight of that, right) ?

On a side note, if you still haven't sent your love to that writer you love or if you've come up with a great fic rec, please don't hesitate to do so. ;)

Comments

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Lee’s worst flaw?
Kara’s worst flaw?
Same for both: Emotional cowardice when it came to each other.

The worst thing Lee ever did (to Kara, to himself and/or to others)?
It's a toss up between telling her he wouldn't miss her and that he'd gladly open an airlock for her. Or...no, maybe it's ... that he always waited until she was with someone else to make his move.

The worst thing Kara ever did to Lee and to herself?
In Kara's words: "cheating myself" by marrying Sam out of fear. Also to Lee, telling him "I didn't need you anyway" or "There is no us".

Lee’s worst line in the show or his most OOC moment? When he smiles and tells Kara he's gonna go climb mountains after she tells him she's leaving and her journey's done here. WTF?

- Kara’s worst line in the show or her most OOC moment?
"I hate Lee, I love Lee, I hate Sam, I love Sam." I can't believe Kara was torn with indecision over these men...ever. She made choices very deliberately.

- the worst thing that was ever done to them? The writers giving them no emotional connection in the field at the end before Kara poofed.

- Kara's and Lee's worst look ever? Kara's mini hair, and Lee's finale hair (wig?)

- their bestest moment, their most redeemable trait or action, the one thing about them which makes us forget all the bad stuff, no matter what (because we love them after all and we must never lose sight of that, right)?

They're Kara and Lee. All the rest of it's not worth a damn. ;)

[word-vomity.livejournal.com]

"I hate Lee, I love Lee, I hate Sam, I love Sam." I can't believe Kara was torn with indecision over these men...ever. She made choices very deliberately.

Good one. That made NO SENSE! I wanted to slap some sense into her after that too, Dee. I blame the drugs.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

don't hit me with anything but that's one statement that made sense for me. I don't see it as indecision, just stating facts.

We have proof that she loves both of them, in different ways, levels, etc. and in that moment I really think that she hated them both. Lee for being the one crazy man in the whole universe who would not cheat, not even with the love of his life and Sam for not making a stand and demanding some sort of a more normal marriage.

the fact that if I was Dee in that scene i would have slapped her it's another story. and then my husband. and hers for good measure.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I believe in the "I love Lee, I hate Lee" part just fine, it's the equality of that with the same kind of emotions for Sam that never rang true to me. Why should she hate Sam? There's no reason at all.

You really think she wanted Sam to demand a more normal marriage? I don't think so. She didn't like it when he did do that after New Caprica and...I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have liked it much before either. The whole appeal of Sam is that he doesn't ask her for those things, IMO.

I like the ideas behind that scene but not totally the execution. The dialogue from both Kara and Dee is a little bit off there to me. Like they're BOTH skirting around what needs to be said. The line about the Old Man thinking she's worth something...it didn't really fit with what Kara said. I dunno. Writers pulled punches so to speak there.

A lot of Kara supporters hate the slap. I'm pretty neutral on it. In concept, I don't like it because--hey why don't you go slap your husband instead since he's the one cheating on you? and why do women always blame other women, etc.--but I can understand the human desire on Dee's part to do it. I do like that she tells Kara that she thinks she's lying/making excuses with this (IMO) totally weak-ass excuse about not knowing what she wants. That was a glimmer of the Dee she used to be.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

You really think she wanted Sam to demand a more normal marriage?

not that she wanted as much as she needed it. it's a strange difference to be made, i know. it's the sort of thing where you had to be in that kind of a situation to sort of get it. and my brain is not functioning properly so i can explain it. she doesn't want it, but she misses it. it;s safe and comfortable and easy but that not Kara, not as I see her. I know that I don't get Kara as some of you do - and that's plain strange on different levels - but as I see her, she thought that she needed something easy and sweet and convenient but what she needed was an equal.

I like the ideas behind that scene but not totally the execution.

i'm 100% behind this.

hey why don't you go slap your husband instead since he's the one cheating on you

well, i named him second on my list because physically he wasn't in the close vicinity in this scene. but, OH, he would have been on my list.

and why do women always blame other women

no, i'm sorry if it came up as this but no. i wasn't coming from there. in my book that slap should have been a wake up call, like - girl, you have these 2 great guys that love you and apparently you love them, take a pick and stick with it so we can all go on with our lives. definitely not a woman blaming the other woman.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I get what you are saying abt Kara I think: that what she really wanted deep down was someone who would challenge her and stand up to her and be her equal.

But I think the thing is that she actually wouldn't want or accept that from anyone but Lee. Because that's how they work. When Sam tried to challenge her in canon-- and he did in S3 & S4--it didn't work because Kara just shut him down or distracted him with sex each time.

Honestly I think she respected Lee and kinda didn't respect Sam in some very complicated ways (that were also partly bound up with duty and family ties and approval seeking) and that is why he can challenge her and she craves it as much as she fears it. But only from Lee.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

this is at least in part what i was trying to say and glad that you were able to get it despite the strange, clumsy delivery.
imo, she wants Lee and she really needs him, but preferably without all that baggage of duty, history, family, etc so she thinks that she can find this in Sam and when she doesn't she is sort of disappointed. and she ends up resenting him for it. and because he is so easily distracted and shut down.
if that makes anykind of sense outside of my brain.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

So she hates him for...not being Lee? ;)

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

I told you that it's making sense only in my head.

*blushes and goes in a corner to grade homeworks since sleep was scared away but this strange reasoning*

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Hee! I'm just teasing you a little, you're making plenty of sense. But I do still think the only problem with Sam is that he's not Lee. If he did try to push back and challenge her and be her equal...I still don't think that would have been enough to make them a happy married pair. She loved Lee and that was kind of inescapable.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I think you summed it up really well - Sam was not Lee. So he was in a doomed situation from the start. Damned if you, damned if you don't, you know?

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I always think that Kara loved Sam and Lee loved Dee as much as they could...which wasn't all that much, because too much of their hearts already belonged to each other.

[useyourlove.livejournal.com]

I really loved that line as well! It made complete sense to me, just because Kara has so many emotional issues. If you're that screwed up it doesn't matter how much you love someone--if you're in a relationship with them and they have certain set expectations of you you're going to alternately love and hate them. I think she'd always felt that way about Sam and Lee both--having feelings for them but also resenting the fact that she has those feelings and that they have the ability to hurt her and she has no control over that. I thought it was just a brilliant way to show how absolutely screwed up she was inside.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

All i can manage now is YES. THIS. Anything more would go a little to deep on the part of my life when I used to be a little to much like Kara and not so much as Lee. and those are not always pretty memories.

but yes, it's a way to show that she was messed up inside and confused. and even if I believe first and last and all in between that they were meant together I can't deny that she loved Sam, just as Lee loved Dee. it wasn't nice, or healthy and more times than not it was selfish but they did.
and now i ended up very off-topic so i'll just stop here.

[useyourlove.livejournal.com]

Oh man, you and me both. I'm still in that screwed up place in my life, which is probably why Kara resonates with me pretty much at all times. ♥

and even if I believe first and last and all in between that they were meant together I can't deny that she loved Sam, just as Lee loved Dee. it wasn't nice, or healthy and more times than not it was selfish but they did.

Definitely agree there!!! There's no denying that they all pretty much loved and hated each other and that none of it was healthy and all of it was pretty bad. But, hey, that's half the fun of it :-) if everyone was happy all the time it would be kind of boring to watch.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

you just reminded me of a one-shot that i read a long time ago and i HAD to go and dig it up.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6103308/1/They_never_hated_each_other

[useyourlove.livejournal.com]

Aw, that was a good one. Thanks for sharing!

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I was rather surprised to see how many of your answers are exactly the same as mine. :)

But this:

"I hate Lee, I love Lee, I hate Sam, I love Sam." I can't believe Kara was torn with indecision over these men...ever. She made choices very deliberately.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.