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YOUR PERSONAL PILOTS BACKSTORY
It's time to dig into your head!canon about the events that take place before the series. For the themes and/or questions below, tell us your head!canon. Doesn't matter if it's the same as someone else's because I think everyone's way of thinking about pilots gives a new perspective. And it does not have to fit in canon or even be all that realistic. Just go for it!
If you don't have a personal head!canon (even though I think everyone does to some extent), rec a fic that tells an element of their backstory in a way that you like (or has become your head!canon). If it's a multi-chapter fic, reccing a specific chapter would be great, as I think we've all probably read just about everything.
If you are so inclined, write a fic that shows us. *bribes your muse*
I've grouped the themes and questions into comments below - reply to those to keep things vaguely organized so we can all discuss. I'm excited to read everyone's theories and I hope fic will be inspired along the way!
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FAMILY HISTORY - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 12:08 pm (UTC)What was Lee's relationship like with Carolanne?
How did Bill and Carolanne's relationship affect Lee? Is that reflected later in his relationship choices?
Re: FAMILY HISTORY - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 01:30 pm (UTC)What kind of sibling relationship did Lee and Zak have?
I think it was a very close relationship, and that Lee felt very protective towards Zak, and I think it is all because of what was going on with their parents. I could even see Lee attempting to become as much of a parent towards Zak as he was a brother once his father leaves and his mother starts drinking, because someone would need to fill that void.
What was Lee's relationship like with Carolanne?
This is another relationship I feel maybe flipped after Bill left and Carolanne started drinking. I think that as she coped less and less, he tried to step up as an adult more, and that there were times when he was more of a parent to her than she was to him because as the eldest he would have felt that he needed to step in to the void to keep his family together - or as together as he could.
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Re: FAMILY HISTORY - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 02:41 pm (UTC)I've always thought that Zak looked up to and idolized Lee, but that the brothers probably never really had a close relationship. That Lee was enough older that they were on the verge of being able to become friends, but previously Zak held Lee in too high a regard and Lee saw Zak as just his little brother.
What was Lee's relationship like with Carolanne?
I actually think Lee was very protective of his mother who he saw as fragile and very much the victim in his parents' relationship. I have no doubt that she drank, but I think Lee's portrayal of his life as a child to his father was based on brutally falsifying his father's idealized version of the family he didn't know.
How did Bill and Carolanne's relationship affect Lee? Is that reflected later in his relationship choices?
The failed relationship of his parents made Lee cautious and almost cynical in relationships. I think he always secretly believed that all relationships fail eventually, likely because of him. I see Lee ass being very much the kind of kid who would take responsibility for his parents' divorce, like he wasn't good enough for his father to stay. :(
Re: FAMILY HISTORY - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 04:55 pm (UTC)Lee's relationship to Carolanne:
Libertas, Chapter 12, WIP
Warning: This chapter deals with triggering themes of depression and suicide.
http://kag523.livejournal.com/185498.html
Re: FAMILY HISTORY - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 06:07 pm (UTC)How did Bill and Carolanne's relationship affect Lee? Is that reflected later in his relationship choices?
My short answer to this one is that I think Lee and Carolanne's relationship was difficult, with Carolanne being irrationally judgemental, but with Lee not challenging her on it; rather, I think he rationalised her behaviour as being not her fault, but rather a reaction to his father's behaviour and Lee's own perceived faults. I think that resulted in Lee tending to assume that if someone leaves him, it's automatically his fault.
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Date: 2011-09-20 07:34 pm (UTC)Re: FAMILY HISTORY - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 09:00 pm (UTC)I think Lee was very protective of his little brother, taking care of him when their father was away and their mother unable to cope with her situation as a divorcee and single mother. He would have wanted to protect him at all costs.
He would have tried to take care of her when she was incapable to do it herself and cover for her from family, friends and school by loyalty to her and to prove himself to be capable of it. But a child doesn’t have to be responsible for an adult, so he would have felt a little resentful and guilty for that thought at the same time. He loved her but taking care of an adult (and a little brother) is a heavy burden for a child.
FAMILY HISTORY - KARA
Date: 2011-09-20 12:09 pm (UTC)What were the circumstances that led to Kara's father leaving?
How did Kara respond to Socrata's relationship with Dreilide?
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Date: 2011-09-20 02:48 pm (UTC)I don't think Kara really knew her father, that he wasn't around enough even when her parents were married for her to really know him. I think Dreilide is mostly a figment of Kara's childhood imagination.
What were the circumstances that led to Kara's father leaving?
The reality of the vast differences between Dreilide and Socrata became too much for the relationship. Dreilide was Socrata's escape in Romanitcism and away from the horrors of her own life.
How did Kara respond to Socrata's relationship with Dreilide?
Her parents' relationship made Kara want relationship to be an escape but easy, not a relationship between people too different or a relationship too hard. I also think Kara works harder to stay in a relationship because her father left.
Re: FAMILY HISTORY - KARA
Date: 2011-09-20 04:59 pm (UTC)Kara's relationship to Dreilide AND the circumstances of his leaving:
After the End, Chapter 17
Warning: This chapter deals with the triggering theme of child abuse.
http://kag523.livejournal.com/5043.html
EDUCATION/CAREER - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 12:10 pm (UTC)Being the son of the famous Husker, how did Lee cope with being a cadet at the Academy?
what kind of job did Lee have after active duty when he was in the Reserves?
Re: EDUCATION/CAREER - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 03:50 pm (UTC)I must admit I love the vision of Lee as a loner, protecting himself from hurt be isolating himself. But at the same time being very good in social situations. I think he was pre-law although this is a fairly new development for me. I hadn't really thought much about it before.
Being the son of the famous Husker, how did Lee cope with being a cadet at the Academy?
I think Lee kept his head down and tried not to be noticed, but he was very talented both academically and as a pilot so it didn't really work out very well. Lee did briefly think this would make his relationship with his father easier, but it didn't as Bill still didn't think Lee was living up to his military potential.
what kind of job did Lee have after active duty when he was in the Reserves?
He worked in a law office.
Re: EDUCATION/CAREER - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 09:47 pm (UTC)It depends of how other people are behaving around him. If people evoked his father‘s military career, his war hero status in front of him, he would have resented it, knowing how his father’s professional life affected his personal one (absent husband and father). Lee would have wanted to have the best results at the Academy to prove to his father that he was worthy of respect, admiration or even love.
EDUCATION/CAREER - KARA
Date: 2011-09-20 12:11 pm (UTC)What was Kara's first job?
Why did Kara join the military? Did she consider other things?
What were Kara's struggles at the Academy? What were her successes?
Re: EDUCATION/CAREER - KARA
Date: 2011-09-20 03:57 pm (UTC)Kara was kind of a wild child and very much a jock. She hid the fact that she was artistic and did well in her classes as much as possible.
What was Kara's first job?
She was too busy with pyramid, painting and homework.
Why did Kara join the military? Did she consider other things?
Kara had been offered a pyramid scholarship by the academy and they still wanted her after she blew out her knee. Also as mush as she nevere wanted to admit it the discipline of the military was very comforting for her. (Teaching was part of her scholarship which is how she became a flight instructor.)
What were Kara's struggles at the Academy? What were her successes?
Kara had a really hard time not rebelling for no reason. She was happy at the academy but she was still restless and didn't ever quit figure out how to resolve that, hence her many nights in hack. Kara was very successful in the cockpit and in most of her classes, making it confusing to her superiors why she was always acting out and getting into trouble.
RELATIONSHIPS/SEX - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 12:12 pm (UTC)What was Lee's relationship with Gianne? What's your head!canon about the pregnancy?
Re: RELATIONSHIPS/SEX - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 12:52 pm (UTC)Ugh. A lot of the time I have trouble accepting in my head that Gianne happened. This isn't because I'm necessarily opposed to Gianne as a character, or Lee's relationship with her as having happened, but because if Lee lost his pregnant girlfriend in the attacks it should have come up before the midpoint of s2 - it all comes down to bad storytelling for me really.
Having said that, when my head accepts that Gianne happened, it tends to assume that the argument over the pregnancy came immediately before Lee shipped out to Galactica, so they never had a chance to make it up, though I think they would have had at least one discussion once Lee got back, because the length of a pregnancy is a long time to not talk again at all. The pregnancy itself was an accident, and the relationship was already on the rocks before it happened. I think that Lee genuinely cared about Gianne, but that he didn't love her.
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Date: 2011-09-20 01:15 pm (UTC)As for Lee's virginity? I think he dated a pretty and kind girl for a couple of months and then when she turned sixteen, too, (the age he'd determined was old enough for that kind of thing), Lee took her to his bedroom and they made awkward but sweet sweet love. I would also say it might have been the first time Lee lied to his parents about what he was doing and where he was. (His parents were out and not expected back until dinner, so Lee lied and told them he was staying after school for debate club.) He decided it was worth it, although he felt slightly guilty for a while.
Re: RELATIONSHIPS/SEX - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 01:54 pm (UTC)(Hee, okay no, I have no idea who she was, but that would be kind of funny. Lee having a long line of prostitute girlfriends.)
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Date: 2011-09-20 04:02 pm (UTC)This is pretty much exactly how I imagine Lee losing his virginity. :)
What was Lee's relationship with Gianne? What's your head!canon about the pregnancy?
Lee dated Gianne after meeting Kara in a vain attempt to prove that he was not in love with his brother's girlfriend. She was his first real try at a relationship since having his heart crushed in the first years of college. Secretly, I have always thought that Gianne wasn't really pregnant. She thought she was and told Lee, and while he was totally freaked out he wasn't going to leave her. But Gianne wasn't pregnant and Lee ended up being very hurt ending their relationship.
Re: RELATIONSHIPS/SEX - LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 08:17 pm (UTC)I think he met Gianne after Zak’s death, during one of his shore leave from the Atlantia, and started an on-off relationship with her. When she told him she was pregnant, shortly before going to the Galactica for the decommissioning ceremony, he ran away due to his family issues. If he had the chance, he would have support her through the pregnancy and help her after their child was born but he wouldn’t have married her. He cared for her but didn’t love her.
RELATIONSHIPS/SEX - KARA
Date: 2011-09-20 12:13 pm (UTC)What kinds of people did Kara date before Zak?
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Date: 2011-09-20 12:37 pm (UTC)Re: RELATIONSHIPS/SEX - KARA
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From:ZAK - KARA/LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 12:13 pm (UTC)How were Kara and Lee individually informed of Zak's death?
How did Kara and Lee interact during and right after the funeral?
What did Lee do in the two years after the accident?
Why didn't pilots see each other for two years?
Re: ZAK - KARA/LEE
Date: 2011-09-20 12:34 pm (UTC)One quirk, btw, of the betrothal rite as practiced in the Temple of Aphrodite is that it does not involve vows of fidelity. This is one reason why Zak and Kara chose to have their betrothal there, rather than in the Temple of Artemis - Zak always sort of knew that if Kara made a vow of fidelity she'd break it, and he figured he'd rather not have it as part of the betrothal to begin with. Lee would've had no way of knowing that, though, and if he had found out he just would've thought it was strange.
2. Lee prayed to the Lords of Kobol in a vague sort of way up until Zak's death, at which point he gave up on them because he couldn't even try to believe anymore.
3. After the Table Incident, Kara and Lee had sex two times while Zak was alive. Both were a result of running into each other when Zak wasn't around. Zak knew and was somewhat grumbly about it - he could be ok with Kara having lovers, but his own brother was something else. Eventually Kara decided to stop, mostly because she had already made a commitment to Zak. And Lee decided to stop, because it violated his principles too much. Both think they each ended the relationship over the other's protests.
4. They didn't see each other because Kara became very close to Bill, and Lee couldn't handle that. Lee was also filled with guilt for having had a secret relationship with Kara behind his brother's back, and that guilt became worse once Zak was dead and there was no longer any way to apologize or try to fix the relationship.
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Date: 2011-09-20 12:14 pm (UTC)Re: BONUS QUESTION
Date: 2011-09-20 04:25 pm (UTC)I also love Borrowed Time (http://workerbee73.livejournal.com/8197.html) even though it makes me cry.
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