DPP: Pre-History

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

This is actually a pretty simple question…

Before the horrible awful revelation that is The Table Scene, what did you think had happened between Lee and Kara before the mini?
 

You can tell everyone, write a litte story or post a link to the fic that fits your personal canon best. Extra points if you explain the Major too. ;)


I thought the brig scene was better inspiration than the Table.PP

Comments

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

There's an unspoken knowledge of each other in this scene that speaks to understanding how the other ticks. Kara gets in some significant way that Lee and his father have issues and that Lee is too stubborn to deal with them. Lee knows that Kara has a penchant for ending up in the brig and comments on it in his attitude. These are not things they know just from hearing about each other from Zak. They had to know each other pretty well before the mini.

The table scene is such a frakkery of backstory that I can't even make a reasonable time line for the two of them together. Unless, of course, they had a bunch of encounters after the table scene. That could make sense because they were just so drawn to each other that they ended up seeing each other between that visit and Zak's death.

I prefer fic that shows us they had a lusty affair while she was with Zak (or that they broke up). Just sayin' and yes, that makes me love the cheating. Don't care. ;)

[ecstaticdance.livejournal.com]

workerbee73's Borrowed Time (http://workerbee73.livejournal.com/8197.html) is my pre-mini canon. I don't care what RDM tries to tell me.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

That works for me. not really as a personal pre-mini canon but is better than the table.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

Borrowed Time has one of my favorite details about Kara and Zak and how she carries her guilt. (I'm being cagey so as not to spoil because this is such a great fic that everyone should read it and find out for themselves.)

[anastashial.livejournal.com]

Well I recently did my This Seems Familiar (http://leeadamamusings.livejournal.com/13971.html#cutid1) piece on our 5 + 1 challenge here. That's primarily Zak and Kara exploits with Lee as rescuer and not a little tongue in cheek. I like to base my fanon closely on canon. I've always maintained that Lee and Kara weren't assessed through an academy, but rather an ROTC type program, so the Daybreak meeting works for me there. I also separate flight training from officer assession while most academy fic writers write the two as simultaneous.

Anyway, I haven't really ever done anything pre-mini that relies on academy attendance except perhaps for my survival exercise piece. That could easily have occurred following assession training although it doesn't work with meeting canon. Still I'd love to see the Lee and Kara enjoying each others company without Zak, and in harmony with their decision to not betray his brother. The better platonic friends they became the more poignant their estrangement over blame for Zak's death becomes. It makes what happens in this scene all the more gut wrenching I think. Lee tries to return to their easy camaraderie, and she tries to follow, but the guilt overwhelms their efforts.

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

I don't have a problem with the near table frak. I always suspected there was something like this in their past. A moment where either they did it or almost did. It shows they had an instant spark from the beginning, also Lee and Kara can't keep their hands off of each other when they drink. Not a new idea.

Also I don't think that scene means that was the last time they met before the mini. Alot more happens between them and Zak's death. Not saying there are more near fraks or fraks at all for that matter, but there's more to it then just that.

The problem is the context. When Kara poofs not long after the near frak, it does nothing to make anyone like the near frak any more. In my mind I can separate the beginning from the end. I reject because they almost frakked when they met it meant they were doomed forever. If in the end they had gotten together it would have shown they moved beyond their mistakes. With the poof, it's just more salt in the wound.

I think another reason I like the flashbacks in general, you got to see if things were different and they had met first things could have worked out. They had the spark, the attraction. They could have had a normal relationship. Was nice to see them just being normal.

I don't have one fic I consider cannon. I don't really have a premini canon. I just believe they had more of a rich history then we saw.

[themonkeytwin.livejournal.com]

Pretty much all of this is how I read it, too. Given body language in the photo of the three of them, they spent a lot of time together, and became real friends. The scene in the brig always showed that it was a complicated friendship, but a real one. The near frak meant that they were on their guard against it ever happening again – which can explain their overwhelming chemistry and why it took so long for them to actually consumate it, because of the guilt involved, and not just from the fact that this time they were both cheating to do it. It was the fact that they were cheating on Zak that made it so devastating to them, not the fact that they were cheating.

To me, the timing of the table scene with the ending implied that the whole of the intervening years was the journey they had to go on to get past it, and that they finally had. The resolution and absolution was finally there. They're eternal counterparts, and as such the only thing that can break the connection between them is them. This whole time was them (eventually, and with much complication) mending their connection. I don't care what different planes of existence they're on – in fact, they can go anywhere and be apart as long as they like, because their bond is now unassailable.

[(Anonymous)]

>>>>ditto (and eloquently said)

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

there are a number of fics that seem appropriate to explain the back story. i just re-read a couple of weeks ago "Every Time My Heart Beats" by JaneAus10 at ff.net. but there are more. if and when i remember i might decide to post a short list.

on a personal level i like to believe that they knew each-other, maybe even before Kara/Zak and that they where maybe colleagues - not necessarily in the same year because they let as believe that Lee is a little older than Kara (and no I don't say that because of the rank). and maybe they were part of a student organization and they went to games, parties, pubs with all the group and all that kind of think. i like to believe that because we never get the future-brother/sister-in-law vibe from there. is more like a good budy/very old friend type of think. the kind of friend that you go with to a pub, drink your minds off, bunk at any of your places and then you go to work with the next morning.

hope that i made any kind of sense.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

I had always guessed that one of two things happened. Either Lee and Kara had spent a fairly extended period of time hanging out, much like Angle of Descent (http://daphnaea.livejournal.com/3287.html) (This is part one of two, and one of my favorites for many reasons aside from the tense relationship before Zak's death.)


Or that they avoided each other until the funeral and gave into their passions either the night before or the night after.

[entaiaime.livejournal.com]

Oh my gosh. I LOVE Angle of Descent. One of my all time favorites. I love the tension.

[eternal-nomad1.livejournal.com]

My pre-mini canon is Secrets and Lies, which can be found here: http://brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com/. The table scene did not change it. I just blanked it out of my mind, like most of S4. Frankly, as other said, the table scene and the mini brig scene just don't make sense together. No matter what RDM says.

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

Well to continue in the vein of fic naming, I'll say Decline and Fall (http://elzed.livejournal.com/94052.html) since I've just been rereading it the other day.

I've read Angle of Descent, Borrowed Time and Secrets and Lies too and loved them to pieces. They all do it right!

I've got a series in progress myself too (oops self promotion ahead) that sort of covers what I think might have happened. I've only posted 1 and 2 of 6 (I have a part 3 finished for ages and I have actually been writing on part 4 for the porn battle though I don't know if I'll manage to finish it) Anyway it's here: part one (http://lotus79.livejournal.com/137164.html) and part two (http://lotus79.livejournal.com/137399.html)

The table frak didn't work for me not because I don't think they would have done it, ever, but because of the setup. They'd just met a couple of hours ago and Zak's in the same room. I know the writers were trying to give us "the connection between them is so strong they can't help themselves!" but what it said to me instead was "they don't care about anyone but themselves". Which I'm sorry is not romantic, it's just dickish. They needed to spend way more time fighting the attraction for me to buy it.

[and now I have to go to work for it is morning in Australia. *pout*]

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

Oh, Part Two is one of my absolute favorites!!! Self promote all you need.

Which I'm sorry is not romantic, it's just dickish. They needed to spend way more time fighting the attraction for me to buy it.

I recently rewatched just the table scene for something, and what struck was how out of the blue and awkward it was. It was weird.

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

Because of Kara's photo we have a tangible piece of evidence that Kara and Lee socialized at least once between the dinner party and Zak's funeral in Kara's photo.

I like to believe that they hung out more than that once and that Lee, Kara, and Zak were buddies, maybe even a close group. Because I want that if I can't have Academy-shenanigans.

I've also wondered if Lee and Kara's friendship was forged AFTER Zak's death. We don't have a super explicit timeline for that two-ish years, perhaps two grieving friends forged a (platonic or otherwise) bond then?

(Oh, Ron Moore, I could punch you for being contradictory about this.)

[anastashial.livejournal.com]

I've also wondered if Lee and Kara's friendship was forged AFTER Zak's death. We don't have a super explicit timeline for that two-ish years, perhaps two grieving friends forged a (platonic or otherwise) bond then?

I've been fairly certain that Kara went to the G almost immediately after Zak's death. When Lee comes to the brig in the mini it seems more likely to me that they haven't positively connected with each other in the two years since his brother's death. The rawness of their feelings regarding Lee's continued actions toward his father just doesn't seem to allow for that IMHO.