Daily Pilots Post
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no_takebacksHi everyone! Firstly, I'm sorry I've been a bit quiet on the commenting front over the past couple of days. It's harder for me to get online at weekends. *eyes nosy boyfriend* I will hopefully catch up with comments later today!
The answers to Friday's 'guess the episode' quiz have been edited into the post, in case you'd like to check them out.
Okay, your final prompt for the week is:
unfinished business
As always, feel free to post anything you like in response, as long as it's to do with Kara and Lee. :)
My final question for you all is: what do you feel are Kara's and Lee's best and worst traits, and how do these traits affect their relationship?
For me, in both cases their worst traits can also be their best, depending on the situation. Kara is so unforgiving (for example, of Gaeta in season 3), but I feel this is because she gives so much of herself in any situation, and she can't understand why others don't do the same. She treats herself just as harshly as she treats others ("Because I'm a frak-up, Lee", she says early on in the show). Similarly, Lee can be ridiculously stubborn, but the points he tends to be stubborn about are those that his sense of honour requires him to uphold.
I think what I love about their relationship in the final two seasons (and there is much I don't love) is the way both Kara and Lee confront the worst about each other and end up in complete acceptance. Kara, in a way, is willing to encourage Lee in his desire to be honourable even when he himself isn't really sure where he's heading. And Lee's unconditional support for Kara in those later seasons just makes me swoon.
Thoughts?
The answers to Friday's 'guess the episode' quiz have been edited into the post, in case you'd like to check them out.
Okay, your final prompt for the week is:
unfinished business
As always, feel free to post anything you like in response, as long as it's to do with Kara and Lee. :)
My final question for you all is: what do you feel are Kara's and Lee's best and worst traits, and how do these traits affect their relationship?
For me, in both cases their worst traits can also be their best, depending on the situation. Kara is so unforgiving (for example, of Gaeta in season 3), but I feel this is because she gives so much of herself in any situation, and she can't understand why others don't do the same. She treats herself just as harshly as she treats others ("Because I'm a frak-up, Lee", she says early on in the show). Similarly, Lee can be ridiculously stubborn, but the points he tends to be stubborn about are those that his sense of honour requires him to uphold.
I think what I love about their relationship in the final two seasons (and there is much I don't love) is the way both Kara and Lee confront the worst about each other and end up in complete acceptance. Kara, in a way, is willing to encourage Lee in his desire to be honourable even when he himself isn't really sure where he's heading. And Lee's unconditional support for Kara in those later seasons just makes me swoon.
Thoughts?
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Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...
Date: 2010-08-02 06:42 pm (UTC)I agree with you that this line indicates a certain amount of reluctance. The thing is: what was she really reluctant about - dumping Sam "just like that" or jumping into a relationship with Lee "just like that" (after being in denial and avoiding it for so long)?
Again, I'm not saying that she didn't care at all about his feelings but I don't think you can determine someone's level of commitment to a relationship by how long said relationship has been going on. I believe her reluctance had (a LOT)more to do with her own insecurities than with Sam exactly. Also, it wouldn't be the fist she did something just like that. She decided to get married and "dump" Lee "just like that", after all.
Kara has different rules from most people about cheating/fidelity/marriage.
I'm not so sure about that. I mean, at first sight it does look this way. But would she really behave like that if she were really invested in the relationship? I'm perfectly aware that it may very well just be my shipper bias talking here and over-romanticizing things, but I don't think so. I (stubbornly? *shrugs*) fail to believe her commitment to Sam was ever that strong to begin with. Her romantic commitment, that is. That is not to say she wasn't committed to him at all. That is why I think she could be loyal without being faithful. And she did show how much she cared for him and was loyal to him in the end.
I also don't think sex is as attached to emotion for Kara as it is for most people.
You have a point there. She does not need to be emotionally involved for having occasional sex or even a established, steady sexual relationship. (Lee, on the other hand, tried to establish an emotional connection with a hooker!) But would she be able to separate things so easily if she was really emotionally connected? My shipper-biased heart says NO.
And all the stuff after New Caprica is pretty much her PTSD from Leoben coming to the surface.
You are absolutely right here.
Kara's pretty honest in general, brutally honest even, with everyone except herself when it comes to Lee.
OMG. That. Soooo true.
Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...
Date: 2010-08-02 06:55 pm (UTC)Well, like I said, I think it's both. Some of each. Kara doesn't leave a man behind, not after Zak. And there was no dumping to do with Lee because they had no promises and no commitments to each other. And you're kind of putting the horse before the cart here. Yes it would be the first time she did it (dumping someone just like that). She didn't break up with Zak, despite of what happened on the table with Lee. She went on to agree to marry him. But here, it's Lee's comments about marriage and rest of her life that give her the idea to marry Sam the next morning so that she'll (and he'll) be safe from this scary love/her penchant for killing the ones she loves.
Well I don't know many people who would ever say "Cheating isn't breaking the rules, it's just bending them a little." So for my money, she's got a whole different take on the cheating/fidelity/marriage thing. ;)
Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...
Date: 2010-08-02 08:11 pm (UTC)OMG, I just reread what I wrote again and it is a little confusing.Thanks for calling me on it! That was not what I meant at all. What I meant is that it wouldn't be the first time she acted impulsively and the "dumping" Lee part was just an example of that. Also, I did not mean dump in a literal way (hence the quotations marks) because you are absoltutely right to say they were not really in a relationship for her to be able to really dump him.
As for all the rest, I guess we have to agree to disagree. (Not that it is such big disagreement to begin with,IMO).
I always love to read your thoughts on anything pilot-related. ;D
Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...
Date: 2010-08-02 08:15 pm (UTC)THEY SHOULDA JUST LET 'EM BE HAPPY! :)
Problem solved.
Re: You should see the way her brain works sometimes...
Date: 2010-08-02 08:45 pm (UTC)