DPP: Free For All Friday

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

Greetings and salutations, 'shipper nation! This is Amy, known on your internets as ninjamonkey73, and I'm driving the DPP bus this week. Sit back and enjoy the ride...





What's on your mind, 'shipper nation? Have a gripe about an episode? Are you such a Lee fangirl you want to shout his praises from the nearest mountaintop? Want to try your hand at a comment!fic and need a prompt (go ahead and ask, we'll enable)? Have a neat picspam you want to stare at for a few minutes? Or that gif. You know the one I'm talking about. From EoJ. Yeah, that one. Mmmm...

The world's your proverbial oyster, people! Chat it up!

Comments

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[kag523.livejournal.com]

I actually think Dee knew exactly what she was getting into - though I'm not that this excused anyone for their behaviours. I'm just saying that I think a LOT of people, including Dee, knew what was going on with Lee / Kara far before New Caprica. (Which is going to lead to a rant about Lee for marrying her in the first place.)

I'm basing this on the discussion that Dee has with Lee in the raptor after they leave New Caprica the morning Kara marries. This is one of those extended scenes that didn't make it to air, but it basically involves Dee saying she'll marry Lee until the cylons come back or Kara Thrace walks back into Lee's life.

Ouch.

That girl knew she was headed for a world of pain... and yet she still jumped in without a backward glance.

So my Friday Free for All question is this: WHY would any sane person do that? Why?

(And ninjamonkey's description of Lee's "magical hip dents" can't be the ONLY reason for it.)

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

♫ If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with! ♫

Especially if he has magical hip dents of magicmaking. And, like, an 8-pack or something goin' on in the ab-ular region. And odes have been written to the arm p0rn... *heads to rack*

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[nazkey.livejournal.com]

I'm SO glad to see there are other ladies here who are just ... er ... enthralled? enthusiastic? rabid fans? ... of the hip dent. The hip dent is IT. The abs and guns are a close second, but hip dent? Esp Lee's magical ones? Yeah. That.

*loses all concentration and drools thinking about hip dents."

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[kag523.livejournal.com]

OMG I have students in this room looking at me like I'm INSANE because I keep laughing out loud. STOP IT! That is so so BAD!

*sigh* Agreed on all counts, BTW.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

*looks innocent*

Wait. So you're reading this comm (knowing how very far south it can plummet) with students in the room and I'm BAD? Really? Huh. :)

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[kag523.livejournal.com]

LOL - there are two kids clearing off hard drives, as it is lunch. Yes. I do what I want at lunch. :>)

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[nazkey.livejournal.com]

Okay, yeah, Dee knew "something" was going on between K/L. I mean, you're right. Unless you're a turnip, a clueless Papadama or a deranged lunatic like Baltar, you'd have at least a clue. BUT, do you think she knew they frakked on NC?

To answer your question: IMO, it's the end of the worlds. Dee says it all. Let's try to have a life, any life, when we can. It's lame and sad and frankly, a HUGE disservice to the character the writers had established for Dee in S1, but that's probably why she did it.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[kag523.livejournal.com]

Okay, this comment made me laugh so hard! Unless you're a turnip, a clueless Papadama or a deranged lunatic like Baltar, you'd have at least a clue. Awesome!

To answer your question about whether or not Dee KNEW about the New Caprica tryst, I'm actually kind of torn. One part of me thinks that EVERYONE knew. First, it's a tent city for goodness sake. Sound carries really far at night, and although Lee and Kara were pretending they were in her cabin, they weren't... I think that the "yell it to the stars" idea is cute, but would carry consequences. (I have this fic niggling at the back of my brain where Gaeta is the first one to make it to the raptor, and has a little heart-to-heart with Dee before Lee gets there.) Secondly, if Tigh knew (as that extended scene shows), then Ellen knew, and if Ellen knew... well, everyone knew by the next day at latest... in time to stop the shotgun wedding.

My other opinion is that Dee never realized it went that far. This is based on how Dee seems able to keep her blinders in place at all times (well, until Earth 1.0 that is), basically living her life in a dream-state and not seeing that humanity is disintegrating around her. I was honestly pretty disappointed by the flat approach to developing her character in the show. By the end she was just a "stand by your man" kind of gal and it rubbed me the wrong way. No, I'm not a fan. There could have been so much more to her, but there wasn't.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

She was settling, just like a whole lot of people were around that time. She badly wanted a family, probably more than she necessarily wanted a marriage, and I think that's the bigger reason she's always envied Kara, who has this relationship with Lee and with Adama that goes way beyond companionship. Maybe it's almost commendable that with everyone around them taking the "take what you got before you lose it" route, she was the one who did so without any denial at all about the fact that things weren't going to be *happy*. It still really makes it hard for me to sympathize when she ends up being right, and when she did similar stuff to Billy without looking back.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[kag523.livejournal.com]

That is such an awesome explanation, and so terribly sad when it comes down to it. (I like your brain :>) That statement: She was settling, just like a whole lot of people were around that time. She badly wanted a family, probably more than she necessarily wanted a marriage just gets me hard. Ugh. NOT a good reason to marry someone.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

I do find Dee to be a very sad character, you know? Even though she did a lot of things that pissed me off, I felt like she was one of the characters that really reflected how lonely everyone's situation is throughout the show.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

"WHY would any sane person do that? Why?"

I don't really know. My guess is fear of loneliness. Being alone is scary so people settle. We see that happening everyday around us. It is better to stick with the nice guy here now than to wait forever for prince charming (who may or may not come one day). In our world, I'd add fear of other people's judgement. Even if it ends up in divorce, at least you can say you have been married once and prove to the world that there is nothing wrong with you since someone once wanted to be with you. Not very evolved, but real, nonetheless.

I never hated Dee. In fact I really liked in the beginning, especially when she helped Lee to break Laura from the brig back in season 2 and when she convinced Bill to go after them in Kobol. I don't think she was disloyal to Billy or that what she did when she was with him compares to what Lee did to her when he cheated on her with Kara (with or without sex). I was never convinced she really loved Lee, though. The love she felt for him certainly is not the kind of love Kara and Lee had. But then again, most people never experience anything so deep and strong. I think she really liked/loved him more than she ever liked/loved Billy, though. So, she settled. You have to take what you can now because you don't know if there is going to be a tomorrow. And as fas as settling goes, she didn't do so badly - after all, she got Lee (magical hip dents and all). She already had the admiral as a father figure and I guess she had her own daddy issues to deal with. She did say something about her father in that interview with D'Anna Biers, didn't she?

But she didn't need to marry him, especially if she knew he really loved Kara. I'm not saying she should necessarily have broken up with him and be alone. But marriage is a big deal. It may be conservative of me, but I think this is not a step you should take knowing beforehand it is not going to last. In this sense, her behavior accepting his proposal was even worse than his (the proposal itself) because we could argue that he at least was trying to convince himself he was going to forget Kara and make it work whereas Dee seemed to have a clearer understanding of the situation she was getting in. She had no delusions. This could be sign of how afraid she was , how much she needed to play make believe while she still could.

Re: How much did Dee know about NuCapFrak?

[kag523.livejournal.com]

I love how you explain this, especially In our world, I'd add fear of other people's judgement. Even if it ends up in divorce, at least you can say you have been married once and prove to the world that there is nothing wrong with you since someone once wanted to be with you. Not very evolved, but real, nonetheless That is so insanely TRUE. *sigh* I think I'll have to admit that all this talk about "why" Dee marries into a terrible situation has made me a lot more sympathetic to her. You can't help but feeling sad.