DPP: The Best Scene Bracket
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rayruz here, I’m taking the DPP reins for the week. Now I’m going to be hosting your regularly scheduled discussions and games, but at the same time, I’m going to be running a little bracket as well. Namely….
This is how the bracket looks. We’ll have voting on Round 1 on Tuesday, Round 2 on Wednesday, Round 3 on Thursday, Round 4 on Friday, and the final smackdown on Saturday with reveal of the best Pilots scene on Sunday.
This is what the bracket’s going to look like. I know I didn't get EVERY scene, but I picked most of the major ones
Now, I don’t mean favorite. I mean BEST. I want you guys to think about the implications of all the scenes. Take into account all aspects of the scene, things that it leads to, possibly deleted lines, things that we like to forget about the scene (Remember that the guy in the GIF we love so much is actually Gaius?). Here are the contenders and matchups for Round 1! Debate! Discuss! What all do you think is the BEST scene?
Match 1- Intro To Pilots
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Back from the dead versus Smack You in The Mouth. Our introduction to Pilots. Some people dove in and watched from the mini onwards… some of us didn’t quite want to devote 3 hours to something that they had no clue if they’d like. Which scene do you think serves our Pilots best?
Match 2- Pilots at Play
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Prepping for a party or prepping for security detail, these two still manage to find the fun at the end of the world. Even if there is symbolic red paint of death…
Match 3- Always Come Back
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Here we have two instances of Pilots coming back to each other. Kara saving her own ass in You Can’t Go Home Again… and Lee returning from pulling off a couple of beyond insane moves himself.
Match 4- Colonial Day (and then some)
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The Dress scene, versus the Fakeout sex scene. Both of which reveal
Match 5- Homecoming
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I’m mean. Yes I’m mean. I’m going to make you pick between the Welcome Home Kiss and the No Takebacks Scene.
Match 6- Once the cat’s out of the bag…
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You can tell that there’s something a little more charged between Pilots after Lee’s little slip of the tongue on the Astral Queen.
Match 7- Pegasus
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Apollo and Starbuck making themselves a pain on Pegasus, or Kara and Lee having each other’s backs?
Match 8- What’s there?
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I know I only have pics from the drinking scene but this includes the “Nothing there…” conversation… it goes all the way until she slams the hatch in his face. And then of course we have the famous “Are we okay?” scene.
Match 9- Unfinished business
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Meanness again. YES. Pick between the match itself and the flashbacks. Which is the better Pilots scene?
Match 10- The Affair
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Is it the Eye of Jupiter makeouts (Where Lee won’t cheat and Kara won’t divorce)? Or is when Kara finally asks the question: if she leaves Sam, will he leave Dee?
Match 11- The Eye of the Storm
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Their discussion in the memorial hallway? Or under the wing?
Match 12- After the storm…
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Lee, when he’s unable to put her photo on the wall? Or the look on his face when miracles happen?
Match 13- Hello, Goodbye
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Which says more about our Pilots? The way Lee runs to Kara when she comes back. Or the way he just can’t say goodbye without a kiss.
Match 14- Finding Earth…
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Dealing with loss, potential loss, personal loss, private loss… Pilots are there for each other. Discuss.
Match 15- After all this time…
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The MUTINY. Starbuck and Apollo back in action once again. Or is it that he’s Lee and she’s Kara and the rest of it isn’t worth a damn?
Match 16- THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS
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Okay, I’m ACTUALLY going to make you pick between the flashbacks and the poof. Which one is the BETTER scene?
THERE WE GO.
There are you contests for Round 1. Now let’s hear what you guys have to say. Try to persuade others to take your side. Have fun with it. Be back tomorrow with the poll and another discussion… but I’ll be around to play devil’s advocate. >:}
rayruz here, I’m taking the DPP reins for the week. Now I’m going to be hosting your regularly scheduled discussions and games, but at the same time, I’m going to be running a little bracket as well. Namely….This is how the bracket looks. We’ll have voting on Round 1 on Tuesday, Round 2 on Wednesday, Round 3 on Thursday, Round 4 on Friday, and the final smackdown on Saturday with reveal of the best Pilots scene on Sunday.
This is what the bracket’s going to look like. I know I didn't get EVERY scene, but I picked most of the major ones
ETA: There has been a change to matchup number one! Please see below. ALSO Today is pure discussion, not voting. Voting will begin tomorrow. A poll will be posted. Thank you. Continue to enjoy.
Now, I don’t mean favorite. I mean BEST. I want you guys to think about the implications of all the scenes. Take into account all aspects of the scene, things that it leads to, possibly deleted lines, things that we like to forget about the scene (Remember that the guy in the GIF we love so much is actually Gaius?). Here are the contenders and matchups for Round 1! Debate! Discuss! What all do you think is the BEST scene?
Match 1- Intro To Pilots
VS
Back from the dead versus Smack You in The Mouth. Our introduction to Pilots. Some people dove in and watched from the mini onwards… some of us didn’t quite want to devote 3 hours to something that they had no clue if they’d like. Which scene do you think serves our Pilots best?
Match 2- Pilots at Play
VS
Prepping for a party or prepping for security detail, these two still manage to find the fun at the end of the world. Even if there is symbolic red paint of death…
Match 3- Always Come Back
VS
Here we have two instances of Pilots coming back to each other. Kara saving her own ass in You Can’t Go Home Again… and Lee returning from pulling off a couple of beyond insane moves himself.
Match 4- Colonial Day (and then some)
VS
The Dress scene, versus the Fakeout sex scene. Both of which reveal
Match 5- Homecoming
VS
I’m mean. Yes I’m mean. I’m going to make you pick between the Welcome Home Kiss and the No Takebacks Scene.
Match 6- Once the cat’s out of the bag…
VS
You can tell that there’s something a little more charged between Pilots after Lee’s little slip of the tongue on the Astral Queen.
Match 7- Pegasus
VS
Apollo and Starbuck making themselves a pain on Pegasus, or Kara and Lee having each other’s backs?
Match 8- What’s there?
VS
I know I only have pics from the drinking scene but this includes the “Nothing there…” conversation… it goes all the way until she slams the hatch in his face. And then of course we have the famous “Are we okay?” scene.
Match 9- Unfinished business
VS
Meanness again. YES. Pick between the match itself and the flashbacks. Which is the better Pilots scene?
Match 10- The Affair
VS
Is it the Eye of Jupiter makeouts (Where Lee won’t cheat and Kara won’t divorce)? Or is when Kara finally asks the question: if she leaves Sam, will he leave Dee?
Match 11- The Eye of the Storm
VS
Their discussion in the memorial hallway? Or under the wing?
Match 12- After the storm…
VS
Lee, when he’s unable to put her photo on the wall? Or the look on his face when miracles happen?
Match 13- Hello, Goodbye
VS
Which says more about our Pilots? The way Lee runs to Kara when she comes back. Or the way he just can’t say goodbye without a kiss.
Match 14- Finding Earth…
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Dealing with loss, potential loss, personal loss, private loss… Pilots are there for each other. Discuss.
Match 15- After all this time…
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The MUTINY. Starbuck and Apollo back in action once again. Or is it that he’s Lee and she’s Kara and the rest of it isn’t worth a damn?
Match 16- THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS
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Okay, I’m ACTUALLY going to make you pick between the flashbacks and the poof. Which one is the BETTER scene?
THERE WE GO.
There are you contests for Round 1. Now let’s hear what you guys have to say. Try to persuade others to take your side. Have fun with it. Be back tomorrow with the poll and another discussion… but I’ll be around to play devil’s advocate. >:}
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Date: 2010-05-24 03:47 am (UTC)My first response: "Oh, frak you!" ;)
But seriously, this sounds like lots of fun. Do we get a prize or something if we guess the end result?
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Date: 2010-05-24 03:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 04:04 am (UTC)Any special format?
Oh, and this is motherfrakking hard in the best kind of way! I can't even get past match 1. These are toooooo hard. *gnashes teeth* :P
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Date: 2010-05-24 04:14 am (UTC)Ray, some of these match ups are EVIL. like, really evil.
HAHA. I love it!
Also, I can't BELIEVE that the Mini "you're not dead" handshake didn't make the Season 1 cut. ;P Plus, I'm also a fan of THE towel scene. Because you know that Kara totally took a good look (haha j/k).
I'm so excited about this.
WHO WANTS TO PLACE BETS??????
(Fanfiction. Bets begin @ 10 words.)
cheers.
--Lex
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Date: 2010-05-24 04:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 04:25 am (UTC)Can't wait to see what happens!
Votes, Part 1
Date: 2010-05-24 05:12 am (UTC)Match 2 - This one is harder. Finger painting was SO FUN! And it gave a good glimpse into the playfulness that Lee and Kara brought out in each other. Colonial Day was playful and fun, but we also got a bit of seriousness and Planning!Pilots -- I think it showed more depth of their overall characters. I think I'm picking Water Fight. Because it does show more of them, while still capturing the playfulness.
Match 3 - Again, hard, but I think I'm going with the scene from You Can't Go Home Again. That one is about Kara and the other is about Lee, but You Can't Go Home again is also about Pilots as a collective -- he just *knows* that it's Kara in that Raider and while the duct tape explains what's going on, it's his gut that tells him it's true even before she climbs out -- where the Hand Of God scene is really all about Lee. There was tension and anxiety, and Kara's Damn proud of him when he gets back from that mission, but there wasn't that connection/drawing together that I saw in You Can't Go Home Again.
Match 4 - The Dress Scene gets my vote. As fabulously hot as the sex scene is, it's all about Kara and her repressed feelings. The Dress Scene is about Kara and Lee and their feelings for each other and how they tie each others' tongues and have fun doing so -- again, it's about Pilots, collectively.
Match 5 - Yes, you're evil. But in a good way. I think part of what makes this one so hard for me is that in a lot of ways I see them as parts of the same arc/event. It opens with the kiss, and closes with Kara telling him that he can't take it (the "I love you," but also the kiss) back. So I think from that perspective, I'm going to have to go with No Takebacks as the better/more defining scene.
Match 6 - I think Oxygen Deprivation. Sexy Poetry was fun and flirty, but I don't think it did/would have lasting repercussions. Saving each others' lives, though... That would run deeper. Especially for these two, with all their history and baggage and Kara's particular concern about destroying everyone and everything she loves.
Match 7 - Having Each Others' Backs. Being a pain together is hot and fun, but didn't really do anything with regards to Pilots as Pilots. I mean, it possibly/probably led to some angst re: Kara's promotion and Lee's demotion. Likely some post-shooting angst on Lee's part, as well (See also: You get away with shit and I'm left cleaning up the mess). But ultimately, they were just being the Outcasts. Having Each Others' Backs was about Pilots being there for each other. It led to Lee's major angst about not being there for Kara and I think was ultimately part of what pushed him away from her and toward Dee (especially when you combine it with the whole debacle that was the aborted sex in Scar). He had to look back and see that, see that he'd failed to be there for her and maybe that's why she didn't feel she could trust him to be anything more than a good lay.
Re: Votes, Part 2
Date: 2010-05-24 05:30 am (UTC)Match 9 - The moonlight/flashback scene shows them at their most vulnerable. Open and honest and listening and walls down and... I'm actually not a fan of the yelling to the sky bit. But that aside, it just puts everything out on the table and they really come completely clean about where they stand. Or at least Lee does. But Kara never manages to fess up to how absolutely terrified she still is by the enormity of what it is between them. So I think I need to say The Match is the better scene. Because Kara puts it out on the line, and they *both* admit how important they are to each other. No reservations, no hedging, nothing held back.
Match 10 - GAH! I actually have a love/hate relationship with both of these scenes. I understand the reason they both fell out the way they did, and deleted lines and etc. I love where they were going, but they both have that one little moment where one of them throws up a wall out of habit or fear or self-preservation instinct that just... didn't need to be thrown up. Raptor Make-Out is the hotter scene, no question. "If I go will you" shows Kara taking the initiative with Lee which is... pretty much unheard of elsewhere in their relationship, so gets points for that. Can I take a pass on this one? Alright. Raptor Make-Out, because of the intensity of the emotion, and because it leads to Lee's "If she dies, I'll let you [kill me]" line with Sam.
Match 11 - Would you believe that I have only vague recollections of the hallway discussion? Based exclusively on the grounds of how memorable the scenes were for me, I'm voting Under The Wing for this one.
Match 12 - The look on Lee's face When Miracles Happen. Because the scene at the memorial wall is about Lee, and how he feels about Kara, not about Pilots as a collective. And it doesn't move the story forward. It reviews what's gone before.
Match 13 - This one is tough. I think I'm going with the Brig Kiss, though. I love the running across the hanger deck. Completely love it. But it's about Lee. Kara doesn't have a clue, and while her little "yeah, me too" is nice and speaks volumes, it's outweighed by everything else that's going on in that scene. The Brig Kiss is about Lee and Kara and where they were and are and mean to each other. Because he really can't just walk away, and she can't let him.
Match 14 - Both of these scenes show a lot about how Pilots have grown and matured. Both scenes show Kara stepping up and being supportive. But I think in a lot of ways the Post Dee's Death scene shows regression on Kara's part. While she's grown enough to not make it All About Her (which is huge! Don't get me wrong!), she's also repressing her needs and desires. I see why it happened, and can't imagine it happening any other way without resenting that Kara didn't recognize Lee's loss, but I think it was a step backward in their development. So, Walk Those Halls gets my vote for best scene in this pairing.
Re: Votes, Part 3
Date: 2010-05-24 05:30 am (UTC)Match 15 - Love, love, love the mutiny. They're back and he makes her feel alive like nothing can and she's just saved his life, and he takes everything she throws at him in stride and taking off the tie and just... Yeah. Love. I'm more conflicted about the hallway scene. For better or worse, knowing that he's there and he loves her no matter what -- I think that's what gives Kara the strength to do what she has to do in terms of the mission to save Hera and the jump to Earth. It gives her what she needs to say goodbye and let go for real and true, as much as that hurts. And while I'm not sure Lee sees it, I think the look on Kara's face speaks volumes about how far she's come in accepting what she feels for Lee, in return. For that reason, I think The Hallway Scene is the better scene.
Match 16 - So I mentioned my Crack!Consolation a few weeks ago re: Kara being a Homing Pigeon, right? She always found her way to Lee (i.e. - her home), so of course she was a Pigeon! Um, anyways. Okay, so Crack!Consolation notwithstanding, I actually think The Poof (well, what goes before) is the better scene. I have mixed feelings about the table, but I think there are dozens of better ways to get them to the angst-filled point that we meet them in the mini. The Events Leading Up To The Poof... Kara has let go. She's accepted what she had to do and her lot in life. But she couldn't just walk away any more than Lee could. She had to be with him one last time before she could leave. She gave him everything she could, waited until the last possible moment, made sure he'd be "okay" (emotionally - she didn't account for lions, sadly)... Yeah, I kind of expect this one to be a losing vote.
Match 13 - Vote for the Brig Scene Goodbye!
Date: 2010-05-24 05:34 am (UTC)BRIG SCENE GOODBYE FTW. First of all while the hello scene is beautiful and he can't wait to get to her, they are totally interrupted by Sam. Now nothing against anyone who likes Anders but NO thank you. I like my pilot moments free from spousal interruption.
The brig scene is just about the most epic moment ever for them. Emotionally they are completely honest with each other "I think I know what you meant about having a destiny", "I never could say no to anything" "Except me" "Especially you"., "Good luck on your journey Lee Adama".
Then to top it off she calls him back. Kara Thrace breaks down that wall she fights so hard to keep up and calls him back! Lee is her rock, he will always be there for her and she knows it. He will always believe in her and he doesn't fail to lift her up when she needs it most.
The kiss is IMO their best kiss ever. It's passionate and filled with everything they don't have enough time to say. They touch each others faces and brush foreheads and there is hand holding. It calls back to all the tender pilot moments.
Not to mention the extended scene where Lee gives her the Aurora figurine that his dad gave him, that she gave his dad. All that one little figure symbolizes...family, hope, promises, love and it continues to come full circle for her with the Adama men.
Basically it's awesome. You know it, I know it and the world knows it. Ok cheering campaign over. VOTE GOODBYE FOR MATCH 13!!!!
Re: Match 13 - Vote for the Brig Scene Goodbye!
Date: 2010-05-24 05:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 07:01 am (UTC)Match 1: Smack you in the mouth
Match 2: Hose fight
Match 3: Couldn't have done it better
Match 4: The dress
Match 5: No takebacks
Match 6: Running out of clothes
Match 7: Trust
Match 8: Why don't we
Match 9: The match
Match 10: Outmaking
Match 11: Whatever it takes
Match 12: AATW
Match 13: Have to go
Match 14: Sometimes...
Match 15: Mutiny
Match 16: The Flashback
OK, very brief I know. Perhaps I'll come back later and describe why.
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Date: 2010-05-24 08:01 am (UTC)Match 2: Oh so hard to choose! I think the hose scene just edges the paint out for me, cos, you know, there's contact. And wrestling. But then the paint scene has nice juxtaposition with the explosion that follows. So in terms of best I think I need to say the paint scene but it's hard.
Match 3: YCGHA. Because Lee is so relieved to see her safe!
Match 4: Yeah, I think the bum knee gets it for me. Fake out sex has Baltar, eww.
Match 5: Difficult! But the kiss. It just suprises both of them so much. Though I love that the no takebacks thing was all adlibbed!
Match 6: Another toughie. I think I like the rifle range, though Kara quoting poetry is just supercute.
Match 7: The first one. Not that I don't love the trust and the hug and the having each other's back! I just love that Lee sits and takes the new CAG's shit while Kara mouths off (exactly as predictable, IOW) and then Lee the Sneaky, knowing Kara the Loudmouth as he does, has got her the camera and equipment to go and do what she does best (i.e. break rules and save the day.)
Match 8: Silly question. Really silly. SCAR!
Match 9: I like the way they juxtapose with each other, so this is hard. But seriously, how can I not pick the flashbacks? The fight is nothing without the flashbacks.
Match 10: EoJ, though (surprisingly!) not just because of the outmaking this time! Angst is my thing. And tragedy. And this is perfect tragic angst - they are utterly hoist by their own petards. The second one, while tragic in that he now says no when she says yes... doesn't work for me because I don't believe Lee choosing Dee over Kara, ever. I love Dee to bits, but no.
Match 11: Another toughy. The raving lunatic line is one of my favourites. And I don't like Lee saying he's all happy with his wife when it makes little sense given the evidence... but I do like the full circle thing of the CAG and the problem pilot with the huge unspoken thing that still is and always has been/will be between them. So under the wing. Just.
Match 12: TSAR! No contest again - I was crying buckets at that scene. Kara reappearing was anticlimactic for me (mainly because I was spoiled, but still...)
Match 13: OMG YOU ARE EVIL! These are my two favourite scenes. I can't choose! I won't choose! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME CHOOSE!
Match 14: I DO like that Kara goes to Lee with her problem, and then that she recognises he isn't in the right frame to deal with it. BUT I like the first one better. Especially that fourth picture - it's so nicely framed with her leaning on the desk half looking over her shoulder. It kinda made me question my sexuality a little bit.
Match 15: The mutiny. Because they do the wondertwin thing again, and kiss, and Starbuck saves Apollo's ass. A (momentary) return to the things I love about this show! Not that the hallway scene isn't sweet and nice.
Match 16: AAARGH. I choose the flashbacks, because I can pretend the table didn't happen. The rest was awesome. The poof was utterly irredeemable.
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Date: 2010-05-24 08:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 08:11 am (UTC)2. Tough one but I'm going with Prepping for security detail. It's such a rare moment that we get to see our pilots having fun and for me the scene on Cloud 9 was more Lee/Kara than Apollo/Starbuck.
3. Definitely YCGHA. The whole episode of Lee's determination to rescue her and his excited face when he read the bottom of the raider just spelled out his love for her.
4. The Dress scene.
5. No Takebacks. The kiss itself was great but it kinda gets pushed away by Sharon showing up. I love Lee teasing Kara a bit and then becoming real sincere with her knowing that something must've happened on Caprica.
6. It's terrible but I can't really remember the "running out of clothes" scene so I'll choose the Running out of air scene. I love this hot of both their hands gripping the gun.
7. Having each other's backs. It was nice to see Lee and Kara being sneaky and smart but the second scene is all about them being there for each other no matter what. I love how Lee's like "you know better than to ask me if i'm with you. OF COURSE i'm with you."
8. Are we okay. Coming back together.
9. ooh EVIL! I love how carefree and happy they are in the flashbacks and their declarations of love for each other but there's so much good angst and feelings in the boxing match. I choose the match. Finally forgiving each other and admitting their feelings in front of other people, in front of Sam and Dee.
10. Epic makeout.
11. Under the wing. I love how everything kinda comes full circle before Kara goes boom! They're right back where they started.
12. Miracles happen. You know he's not going to lose her anytime soon.
13. The brig kiss. I love how he hugs her in the hangar deck but I think the goodbye kiss says more about their relationship. How he believes her when no one else will, she's actually happy for him with how he's moving on and he just can't leave without kissing her goodbye, knowing they'd see each other again.
14. Revelations.
15. I absolutely love All that matters. He doesn't care who or what she is, just that she's Kara.
16. Geez, I say the Flashback. We see the moment that Lee and Kara are always stuck, I mean for frak's sake it's their first time meeting each other and they almost cheat.
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Date: 2010-05-24 08:27 am (UTC)*raises eyebrow* Did I miss a vital component of that scene or was that a freudian slip?
Re: Match 13 - Vote for the Brig Scene Goodbye!
Date: 2010-05-24 08:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 10:43 am (UTC)I know, I know. I should've put the You're not dead, up there... I think you're right... hold on I'm going to make that change.
Re: Votes, Part 3
Date: 2010-05-24 10:44 am (UTC)Re: Match 13 - Vote for the Brig Scene Goodbye!
Date: 2010-05-24 10:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 10:47 am (UTC)Re: Match 13 - Vote for the Brig Scene Goodbye!
Date: 2010-05-24 10:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 10:54 am (UTC)ETA: Pilots also made me question my sexuality... although, it was Lee's doing, not Kara. I knew I was queer. I just didn't know I was bi.
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Date: 2010-05-24 10:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-24 11:01 am (UTC)