[identity profile] deborah-judge.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] no_takebacks
Pilots fight. Pilots love. Sometimes they do both together.

Here's an interesting article about the trope of sparring leading to sex. It gives some examples of how it can work, different things it can look like, and what kinds of things (in the author's view) can make it hot.

What do you like to see in a sparring leads to sex fic? Please tell us in a prompt. Then look at other people's requests and see if you can fill them. As usual, please warn for violence, blood, or anything else that needs a warning.

Date: 2012-04-25 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifishipper.livejournal.com
I think the beauty of UB is that the whole idea of settling grudges via boxing was sanctioned. It's different than the bare-knuckled fights I've seen in fic. Those are very hard to take sometimes. When I was writing my Fight Club fic, I remember walking a very fine line between sanctioned violence and going over the top. The violence had to mean something and not just be pilots hurting each other, so I saved the big fight for a big moment of angst and revelation where that heightened physicality had been earned.

Date: 2012-04-25 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
Maybe, although Kara does cheat anyway by using her feet. And it's not like anyone referees it. So it's not exactly sanctioned? But it also doesn't come out of nowhere and that's pretty important. It has more context then certainly.

Date: 2012-04-25 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifishipper.livejournal.com
But it is sanctioned by Bill when he talks about it being an old tradition in the Fleet. No, Kara's leg sweep isn't exactly on the menu, but the entire thing is sanctioned and relatively common. (And I am sure Kara's leg sweep wasn't the first illegal move in the entire history of The Dance.)

ETA: And there was a referee of sorts: Saul and Cottle were on hand and my guess is that they stopped things when they needed to.
Edited Date: 2012-04-25 01:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-25 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
But Saul leaves before they start fighting, remember? He says it's over and haven't you had enough fighting Starbuck and then she stalks at Lee all "where the hell do you think you're going?"

So technically K/L's fight is NOT sanctioned even though the night/event of "dancing" is. So I think it actually hues a lot closer to Fight Club. But it's not someone just picking a fight with the other *exactly*. I mean it kind of is, but it is still within this context of a bigger event, which kind of makes it okay. I don't think Kara would've come at him at any other time/way--like just tossing him a pair of gloves on the flight deck or in the mess or anything. Maybe in the gym, if there were only two of them there. Hey THERE'S A PROMPT FOR SOMEBODY!

PROMPT: Take the fight from UB and transplant it to another location. How does that change things (if at all?)

Date: 2012-04-25 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifishipper.livejournal.com
Yes! I agree completely. I don't think they'd have had a knock-down, drag-out fight without the boxing gloves and the loose structure of the event to contain it. :)

Excellent prompt!

Date: 2012-04-25 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pennyante.livejournal.com
Yeah, that is a fine line. I've read (and loved) your Fight Club fic, but I can remember how nervous I was initially about the premise. But fics are another country! It worked.

That idea of "sanction" is a really interesting one. I mean, part of the issue is that the status of women in colonial society starts off being (more) equal, so that all the fears/hang-ups we have about violence against women are somewhat muted. Women are less culturally vulnerable, there? Part of the "sanction" of the fight comes from stuff like co-ed professional sports teams. I love it.

Date: 2012-04-28 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifishipper.livejournal.com
(sorry this is so late)

Thank you for the lovely comment on my Fight Club fic. I am glad you enjoyed it and that the way I handled the fighting seemed to work. I so appreciate it! <3

Date: 2012-04-25 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
I think the beauty of UB is that the whole idea of settling grudges via boxing was sanctioned.

That and boxing was repeatedly shown to be a part of their daily routines in the early seasons, UB works so well partly because it picked up on that detail and put it front and centre of the episode.

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