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[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

Hello, everyone! I'm pressdbtwnpages and I get to be in charge this week.

To kick things off, I thought I'd ask you all a question that I ponder fairly often:

What episodes of BSG would you have liked to see that we never got?

My wishlist/discussion suggestions to get you started.

I would have liked to see Kara & Lee on a solo (maybe raptor?) mission.

Seeing an epidemic hit the fleet is something I'd have enjoyed. We kind of got one, but it wasn't quite dramatic enough for me. (What would happen if Lee or Kara got sick? Who would be the worst patient? Would there be hurt/comfort?)

Shortage of clothing/spare parts/etc. I'm interested in if the fleet had manufacturing abilities and how the shortages would have affected people.

An anniversary of Zak's death/More Zak flashbacks/the repercussions of Zak's death lingering longer. We deal with this a lot in fic, but canon pretty much glosses over Zak after the first few episodes.

More holidays and celebrations (and pilots in civilian clothes)!

Comments

[muser71.livejournal.com]

Besides a happy ending for Lee and Kara --- Adama being forced to or accidentally leaving Lee behind - breaking his statement in "You can't go home again" that he would have never left if it was Lee lost on the moon. My favorite place for this to be inserted at the end of Crossroads part 2 with the fleet performing a rushed, emergency jump after a battle to escape the Cylon fleet and Apollo being accidentally left behind with Starbuck since neither Viper was supposed be out there. Adama is unable to go back for him and it is only made worse when the recording of Lee's side of the conversation with Kara surfaces and Adama realizes that Lee thought he was talking to Kara, leaving the fleet to wonder if Apollo was hallucinating, being tricked or if Starbuck had impossibly returned. Meanwhile, Lee and Kara have adventures together or are taken captive by Cylons - I never quite figured out that side of story.

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

Since Kara and Lee were able to operate pretty well as cops together, it would have been awesome if (in response to a problem going on in colonial civilian life, maybe something in, uh, the black market?) the two of them had been implanted on a civilian ship to basically do an undercover operation. For some reason most of the episodes that showed us what was going on in the civilian areas rather than with the military folks ended up being some of the worst, to the point that it almost came off that all civilians were just obnoxious. The idea that a lot of criminal activity was going on unmonitored by the fleet was an interesting idea but so badly handled in Black Market, and I think if we'd seen pilots having to dive right into a sub-culture among the survivors they were not completely comfortable with (rather than one of them just take up with a hooker with no real explanation), making an effort to understand that it isn't all fun and games just because you don't have a military duty, it would have been an interesting way to explore that social tension. And come on, who wouldn't have loved to see them have to fake being a happily married couple or something?

[wicked-sassy.livejournal.com]

I would've liked a better ending for Kara & Lee. The show gave almost nobody a happy ending, but the poof is just ridiculous. Disapprove, RDM!

The show's omission of happy same-sex pairings is pretty big. We get Gina & Cain, an unhealthy relationship premised on secrets; there's a webisode with Gaeta & Hoshi; and that's it. I would've liked to see Kara sleep with a woman while she was tearing her way through the hearts of Fleet members. Maybe Lee would've slept with a few guys when he was bored and lonely.

I think it would've been interesting to see Carolanne Adama, whether it was in a scene with Bill, with Lee, with Zak & Kara--we see how awful Socrata was to Kara, but we only hear about Carolanne.

After Roslin outlawed abortion, I was surprised they didn't make one of the pilots deal with this on a personal level. Having Kara deal with this might've been a really interesting storyline because of her simultaneous belief in the gods and her pragmatism.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I would have loved to see an episode that explained how our dear pilots went from the end of UB scene to the hot make out scene in EoJ.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

The musical episode. (I'm not even really kidding. Lol.)

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Ooh yes. More buddy copping pilots!

To be honest I'm torn on the "faking being married" not because the shipper in me wouldn't totally love it, but I go back and forth on wanting the show to have been a bit more traditional in hewing to romantic tropes like other shows would have (meaning K/L would never have married other people and would've gotten together at the end) and being aware that one of the things that wowed me while I was watching it was how bold and unconventional it was and that it DIDN'T hew to those familiar tropes.

(Needless to say, in hindsight, I wish it had been a lot more conventional in some ways, esp w/r/t pilots and their ending.)

[kag523.livejournal.com]

I would have loved to see an episode that explained how our dear pilots went from the end of UB scene to the hot make out scene in EoJ.

(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/MoreGifs/?action=view&current=206-THIS.gif)

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Brief list of things I'd want to see:

+ Kara comforting Lee after Dee's death
+ Why Lee left Kara on the dance floor at Colonial Day
+ If the poof remained, then a genuine goodbye that embodied what they meant to each other
+ Flashbacks that didn't make the K/L connection tantamount to a dare
+ Lee's reaction to Kara participating in The Circle
+ Kara's reaction to Lee becoming President (and the TEASING!)

There are others I can't think of. So many!!!

[winegums.livejournal.com]

^^ yes, ALL THE EYEFRAKKING/OUTMAKING AND THE LOVELINESS THAT PRECEDED IT (because omg, I had to go from sobbing with sadness/relief to "omg you two are having an affair I AM A MORALLY BANKRUPT PERSON FOR FINDING THIS SO HOT", in practically nothing).

[winegums.livejournal.com]

AI with everything you listed, but my specific wish is this:

- Lee and Kara confronting the hooker thing in Black Market. That episode would have made 100% more sense if they'd left out the random preggo girlfriend and had Lee dealing with the blonde who was REALLY on his brain (and who, to my shock, never even made an appearance in it - what a letdown).

- Lee watching out for Kara after Sam was shot (there's no way he would not have tried to make her stop beating herself up so much, and he's obviously posted on Sam's condition but I'd have liked to SEE it, y'know?), likewise Kara and Lee after learning of Dee's death. '

I love every part of pilots, but this is where they could have used each other's friendship so much, as it is Kara going to tell Lee about her corpse on NC makes me cry every time because it's such a big step for her to even be considering telling someone that something is wrong. I wish she'd told him that she WANTED to tell him about finding her corpse on New!Earth, too.

- More of Lee and Kara pre-mini (they were happy! Maybe secretly in love and having angst/mixed feelings about that, but the world hadn't ended and Kara hadn't begun beating herself up about dead lovers/lovers she fears she'll kill yet).

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

<3 <3 <3

Except Jamie can't sing. Or dance. *handwaves technicalities*

[n-e-star.livejournal.com]

o.0 but he did okay with the song in "The Scarlet Pimpernel".

[wicked-sassy.livejournal.com]

Why Lee left Kara on the dance floor at Colonial Day

This!!!

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

Oooh, I really like this idea! I think it would make an awesome fic!

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

ABSOLUTELY!

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

He can be the Willow. ;)

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

This one is more a what-if than another episode, but since the collective goal seems to be fixing s3 & s4:

If Kara survived her viper exploding but was badly injured. What would it do to Lee who loves her but has no rights? What would do to the fleet to see their heroic pilot injured? To Galactica to know that Starbuck was suicidal? Would Kara recover? Would she be the same?

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

I really, really hate that halfway through the series they randomly made Carolanne a bad parent. It seems both unnesesary and unfair to Kara whose childhood abuse shaped her character.

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

But he's PRETTY.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I also wish we had seen Kara talking to Lee after she shot him in Sacrifice. It just seems weird that they wouldn't talk at all (apparently) for a month. The whole hooker thing should have come up again also.
As matter of fact, I think the whole Black Market/crime/difficulties faced by the civilians in the fleet should have warranted more attention. What did the civilian government do after all? I suppose they would have more important things to do than to discuss religious issues and petty political disputes.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

The episode where they find the Hot Fudge Planet. *g*

[onlyariana.livejournal.com]

oh yes!

[pennyante.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's a pretty fantastic jumping off point for a story I'd love to read!

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

I love this idea.

[pennyante.livejournal.com]

^These are all fabulous. And going along with Lee's reaction to Kara's participation in the Circle is *also* Lee's reaction to the deets of her imprisonment on New Caprica.

[aurora-0811.livejournal.com]

Kara comforting Lee after Dee's death

This was filmed!!! I'm still ridiculously bitter that RDM didn't use it. It really would have been a lovely display of how far Kara had come. *sigh* #ragepartyofone

[pennyante.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree with all of what Norah's saying; "for this episode, we will care about working people, and in this, we will care about the lives of women..." Ugh. I love BSG--obviously!--but it's kind of sad that that low level of attention to this stuff was still groundbreaking.

In that vein, I would have liked to see them deal with cultural devastation in a more ongoing way--loss of family and friends and food and a million forms of entertainment and kinds of work and touchstones/referents. They stiff-upper-lipped it too much for my taste.

[aurora-0811.livejournal.com]

I think its been mentioned a few times above but I would have really loved to see something between UB and EoJ that showed us K/L interacting on a personal level. You know there would have been some angsty convos and some hot out-making sessions! I also think Lee would have pushed for her to talk about New Caprica...their night together and her captivity. Kara would have pushed him into talking about his time on the Pegasus before the rescue.

[wicked-sassy.livejournal.com]

Also, these: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Deleted_Scenes_%28RDM%29

[deborah-judge.livejournal.com]

I really liked the deleted scenes in which they passes the statue of Aurora back and forth - I wish they had done more with that. It felt like an important way of Lee coming to terms with what Kara was.

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

For me it would have depended on how it was handled, cause for the most part I think they'd be professional and just do it and playing the role would have been as simple as "If somebody asks, he's your husband." I can't really imagine it being realistic or fitting to have all those cheesy "I guess we need to kiss now! You know, for realism!" romantic comedy moments, but I could just see having somebody like Karl find it really funny like, "You're gonna have to be his wife?" and Kara telling him to frak off cause it's a bit awkward.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I nearly put that and then deleted it bc all I could here is the airlock line. He was so damn angry at her. I guess, that said, I'd like to see his reaction to her imprisonment once they'd made up. I imagine it would be a difficult scene. :(

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

Can't believe I didn't think of this one. It's a pretty big hole they left there.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I can imagine it'd have to be very matter-of-fact if they even tried to incorporate something like that. Like I can't see them handling it the way a Castle would you know?

Hee Karl. I think there's a ficlet waiting to happen there! :)

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

I did think that retconning was a bit strange, although I like it (in fic) as a point of connection for Lee and Kara? That they both knew what it was to have crappy childhoods. Too bad the show never even made it clear whether or not Lee knew about the abuse. Though I like to think of course he did.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

But this makes me wonder how Lee's anger would effect his reaction to Kara's imprisonment because it could be good or bad. Would it be different if he knew Sam left her or would Lee just be vindicated and bitter?

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I guess I've always assumed that he'd read the reports in canon and was just too pissed off to care. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about that - makes him incredibly hard in a way that I understand but don't like. IDK.

I'm not sure how much her relationship with Sam would've mattered at that point? I guess it would take a bit of a different set of actions for him to even find out that they were split. I think he could probably hold onto the bitterness for a long long time. It took a brutal physical fight to break through for them. I'm not sure how it could have worked any other way except AU.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

But I've always wondered what Kara would have admitted to in a report. (The same as with her time on Caprica and in the farm). I don't think she would feel any need to put anything more in than was required certainly nothing that would open her up too much.

Although I do think it would take a lot for Lee to actually do something before the dance because he's so angry and hurt. Which does paint him in a not so great light. I just want him to be better. :(

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I guess I'm on the other side of the fence than you are about these various events and how Kara would report them. I always felt that she did provide some of the details about the farms and about her captivity because that was the purpose of the report - that somehow some detail would help the Fleet defeat the cylons. IDK. It's not like she put her feelings into the report. I can imagine her very coldly just writing it all down and not looking back. Not every detail, but enough.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

Actually, that pretty much how I think she would have reported things too, cold facts. Which now that I think about it would probably make Lee more anger. eep.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I think that Lee never quite understood what was beneath all that anger and coldness from her. If she directed it towards others, I think he somehow got it, but when she did it to him, he was just hurt and confused and then angry. *sigh*

Communication without obfuscation. It works! OY!

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

If she directed it towards others, I think he somehow got it, but when she did it to him, he was just hurt and confused and then angry. *sigh*

Exactly, especially if her anger was directed at something he could imagine being angry at, but I think he really wanted to be different from all the things Kara found to lash out so feeling those negative emotions from her was really hard for him. But I think Lee felt all of that without realizing how he contributed to her feeling hurt and angry. :(

[duchessduchie.livejournal.com]

This isn't exactly a Kara and Lee scene but I would love to have them explain to me why Adama doesn't seem to care about Kara after she left the fleet to live on NC to after him kicking the chair out from under her.  During the moon stuff he had to rescue her. After the toasters find NC he doesn't mention her name. When the rescue is over Adama looks for Lee (as he should) but he doesn't look for Kara (as he should have if she was his daughter).  Did Adama find out about Kara and Lee? Did Adama stop caring about her because  Lee appeared too? What the frack happened? 

[duchessduchie.livejournal.com]

I really want this done. I remember watching the Kara and Lee kiss and then pausing the blueray to make sure that I didn't miss an episode because surely the change in their relationship would have merited an episode!

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

See, I think that the similarity in upbringings for Lee and Kara is what disappoints me about making Carolanne an alcoholic. I like that they're very different people. And Lee's childhood was flawed enough by having an absentee dad.

I guess it just feels to me like a very cheap way to amp up Lee's mainpain.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

It bothers me more as part of RDM's weird kink for the "promiscuous/blonde/alcoholic wife" trope. :(

See also: Ellen Tigh, Kara Thrace.

[pennyante.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Ugh, it's such a wonderfully fraught time. I'm imagining a one-shot that just *is* this report, as written by Kara, where you have to read between the lines as to what she's underselling.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

Oooh, that's a fascinating idea.

[pressdbtwnpages.livejournal.com]

I would LOVE to read that. Maybe even a series of reports (crashing on the moon, the farm, etc) that are unintentionally revealing.