DPP: Confession

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

Monday of us who confessed to not liking Maelstrom, despite it being a Kara-centric episode. So I was wondering what other deep dark confessions we have.

I’ll go first. I find Scar absolutely painful to watch with exception of the scene where she and Lee drink alone together and when they make out. I cried the first time I watched Kara in the film room and have only made it half way through that scene since.

Now it’s your turn… 

Comments

[ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com]

Lee did not repeatedly sleep with a hooker. That is all.

[bouncy-nut.livejournal.com]

1. I hate the idea that Kara slept around on Sam during their marriage with people other than Lee.

2. Equally disgusting to me is that Kara was sooooo in love with Sam after her random fling with him on Caprica that she couldn't get him out of her head while she was with Lee during Scar. Puke.

[rdave1.livejournal.com]

I like Maelstrom but it makes me weep everytime I watch it.

Can't stand to watch Black Market. Lee would never get a rent-a-family.

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Heh. I do not like Maelstrom either. It is the beginning of the end for Kara as the character I always knew and loved and it makes me incredibly sad. Katee is beautiful and amazing in it, of course, but it makes me very angry to watch it. I also do not like the Under the Wing scene. Hate it, in fact, and cannot watch it. It represents everything that pisses me off about RDM and his efforts to reduce the K/L relationship to friendship and nothing more. :( That episode as a whole is the nail in the coffin of Kara/Lee. *raaaaaage*

I used to dislike Scar, but now I adore it. I've re-watched many times and each time I am just enthralled by Kara's struggle and Katee's wonderful acting. Gah. Sooooo good.

I also used to dislike the 33 smack you in the mouth scene because I felt terribly for Lee who was feeling like a frak up and getting bitched at. (Over-identify much?) Now, though, I enjoy it a lot. ;)

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

I can get the Kara can't get Sam out of her head in Scar, but I've never understood how a random fling translated into a relationship based on anything other than guilt.

[zenzero42.livejournal.com]

maybe this isn't what you had in mind but: I have to confess that I love the poof.

because in some twisted way I think it's the poof that has kept my Kara/Lee love so strong in those years. I shipped A/R too when bsg was aired. Then they ended together, and now I'm quite annoyed by the invasion of A/R fics: I'm like, "we get it, they were in love with each other blah blah... but seriously, everything we needed to hear about them was said, so shut up crazy fangirls"

while for Kara and Lee, I always want to come back to them, wondering if Kara was happy and if a better ending was possible, reading UST, fluffy, porn, AU, academy, post-daybreak fics... everything.
and then I stop for a moment, finding some comfort in the notion that Kara saved all of them, I admire my heroic Kara, maybe I cry a little... just to come back reading an AU-fluffy-pilots-baby fic that takes place in NY...
... becouse this is what the poof did to me: I still want to explore all the possibility about them.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

This is just the kind of confession I was thinking. Yay!!!

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Ha. I always kind of liked the idea that she slept around on Sam.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

because I felt terribly for Lee who was feeling like a frak up and getting bitched at.

Not over-identifying, this is being protective. ;)

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

this is one of my problems also. don't get me wrong, i like Sam. what i don't understand how we got from practically a one-night stand on Caprica to marriage.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

ok. i can totally see your logic and that same logic is the main reason why i made my 'peace-treaty' with DB2 but i'll probably never get to the point of loving the poof. then again if would love the poof i would be happy with the end and the whole reading fics all the time would not be so endearing.

[wand3rlust.livejournal.com]

I have a love/hate thing with Maelstrom. It's beautifully shot, acted and edited. As a vidder I love the imagery from it but in the grand scheme of things the episode itself does not make much sense to me.

Kara suddenly being emo/depressed/cracking under pressure (there's absolutely no lead up to this in prior episodes) is sort of a mystery to me. It really goes against the way her character has been written since the mini. I'd have believed it more if it was shown Kara was slowly breaking down over the previous few episodes. That said, I have to repeat how much I do love the imagery. Also, the background about her mother and even "creepy not-Leoben" being her guide.

Still, Kara's death will always be a sore point with me. It looked like exactly what it was: Someone pulled this storyline out of their butt for the shock value. Which is just ultra LAAAAAAZY writing to me. To top it all off it was never truly resolved and really screwed up not only Kara/Lee but so many other story lines along with it.

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

Mmmh… When I first watched Maelstrom I was ok with it –mainly because I knew Kara would eventually come back and I had so much hope for her and Lee right then… Now, in retrospect, I don’t like it –I know that Maelstrom is supposed to be read in a “positive” way, as Kara finally makes some sort of peace with his mum and willingly chooses to go into the nebula to fulfill her destiny--, but the way I see it know… well, it’s just her comitting suicide, and I don’t see anything beautiful in this twisted, horrifying “peace” as she kills herself. Ugh. (That being said, I do love the under the wing scene. I think it’s one of their most mature interactions –all about trust, acceptance, growth. And underneath the friendship, I always sensed a strong romantic vibe. I always thought that if they could get past all the obstacles ahead, they would ultimately be in a place where they could make their relationship work.

As for Scar? I love every bit of it.

My dark confession? (well, I don’t think it’s dark at all…). I dislike K/S so much. I just can’t. And it’s funny, because I used to be ok with Sam, and Kara’s love for Sam --although their dynamic in S3 always made me cringe, I always accepted Kara’s love for him (you can love two people in different ways, right?). But then RDM tried to make it all about K/S, and I just couldn’t take it. Kara’s “I love you” to Sam, if totally understandable given the circumstances, makes me cry for all the wrong reasons. It seemed so unfair to me. Sigh.

[zenzero42.livejournal.com]

I have an other dark confession:

I screamed with joy when Dee killed herself.

I'm that bad.

[eternal-nomad1.livejournal.com]

That's exactly how I think of Maelstrom.

[zenzero42.livejournal.com]

me too. :)

[eternal-nomad1.livejournal.com]

It's not news for people who know me, but I can't stand UB. It's a beautiful piece of cinematography and the acting in it is phenomenal, but I hate what Kara did to Lee (yes, I understand why, so no need to reopen this debate). AFAIK, this was the real beginning of the end for them, it got them to a place where total trust was no longer possible with everything else stemming from it (that is, of course, if you view the story as a consistent development and not a product of RDM changing his mind).

[cosetteferaud.livejournal.com]

I hate the poof whith fiery passion, but I completely get what you mean. There's this tragic, haunting quality about Lee and Kara's relationship that keeps me coming back to them over and over. I know I'll never get over them.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

I hate what Kara did to Lee (yes, I understand why, so no need to reopen this debate). AFAIK, this was the real beginning of the end for them, it got them to a place where total trust was no longer possible with everything else stemming from it i love this comment.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

me too. ;)

[rayruz.livejournal.com]

I'm so glad someone else does not like Scar. It's not only a primarily Kara/Sam episode that falls back on a crappy one night stand instead of dealing with the trauma of being captured by the enemy and operated on while she was drugged up by them (you know, how she got that SCAR) but it's also a terribly constructed episode in terms of the editing!

Another confession... I'm not sure Kara could have been happy on Earth 2.0... while I'm sad that she's gone and dead and whatever... the only way I could have seen her living on that planet is if the rest of 4.0 and 4.5 had been completely different.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Sometimes I wonder if they should have cancelled the show after Pegasus.

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I think most of my confessions are old news *shrugs* But there are a few, I guess, that I haven't talked much about before.

One is that I don't like Lee's first big scene with his Dad in the mini. I love Jamie, but he's trying too hard in that scene and it doesn't come across to me as real fury and grief. I didn't *believe* him.

Another is that - based on his interviews and podcasts - I like RDM a lot, and I think he's overall quite a good writer and generally thoughtful about his own work and in some instances his self-criticism is right on the money, which is a rare thing when someone is evaluating his own work. I think he made some big mistakes with his storytelling, but I admire everything he did right as well. None of us want to criticize the actors or attack them for their interpretation of their characters, even when they wholeheartedly promoted storylines and interpretations that enrage us. We love them, so we don't get as mad or call them morons or failures when they say things about their characters that we disagree with. But RDM doesn't get much charity :) He was in charge, and the buck stops there, so to a certain extent if we hated certain parts of the show then he is the person most responsible. But, if that's our logic then we should also hold him most responsible for the things we loved about the show, too. I just feel a bit defensive of him, sometimes, because the criticism tends to be so harsh.

[baciami2.livejournal.com]

me too. ;)

[zenzero42.livejournal.com]

But, if that's our logic then we should also hold him most responsible for the things we loved about the show, too.

I completely agree with you.