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[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

So I was wondering, what are people's non-negotiables when it comes to our pilots? What are the things you just can't tolerate at all from canon or fandom or don't think are true or just generally do not fit into your "personal canon"?

Sometimes it's big stuff, like you hate Dee or you hate Sam and can't deal with the thought of them and your pilot of choice comingling. Sometimes it's tiny things, like you think Kara would never let her hair grow that long or Lee would never get a tattoo.

Either way, share your non-negotiables with us below! 

 

Lee is embarassed to share his.

And Kara is shocked! Just shocked I tell you!
 

Comments

[ecstaticdance.livejournal.com]

My single biggest no-no is incongruous violence from Kara. She'll pick a fight just 'cause she's jonesing for one, and she doesn't need a lot of excuse to throw a punch, but there's generally some kind of lead up, in my mind. Exceptions, of course, for The Enemy. But stories that have Kara just walking up to Lee, for example, and punching him because... he worried her? He happened to be there? No. I need an emotional build up (see the scene where Gaius outs Kara -- hitting him is her first reaction, but we're also watching her and know how much what he's doing is killing her inside -- he was asking for retribution) or some vocal sparing (see the punching next to the Raider in Kobol's Last Gleaming or her fight with Tigh in the mini). She doesn't specifically need to be looking for a fight with that particular person, but she needs to be worked up about something, and I need to see it.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Mmm, yeah, I agree, I don't think Kara is half as aggressive against Lee as most folks make her out to be. In fact, I think even canon shows her as being fairly deferential to him as much as she is confrontational.

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Mine, which most of you probably know, is any kind of Lee/Sam pairing. I just can't. In no universe could I see it really happening. In fact I have a really hard time imagining Lee with anyone else but Kara in general, but especially with other people who are men. For some reason, it just doesn't seem likely to me at all. Perhaps I don't think Lee could get over his trust issues/repression enough. I'm not sure.

I have others, but I have since forgotten them! More later.

[eternal-nomad1.livejournal.com]

Honestly? The Kara I love would make better choices and would not let herself be manipulated by either fear (as far as Lee is concerned) or fate to the extent that she was in the series. That's the thing I hate most about canon.

Fanon: I can't stand stories where Kara is completely mushy or where Lee turns into a rapist. It is just not them.

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

I can't stand inconsistency in cannon. In AoC Lee was ready to sacrifice humanity to save Kara off the moon. But Lee the atheist is ready to let Kara die for an artifact he wouldn't believe in, that probably doesn't exist? He has flashbacks about blowing up the OC, but yet leaving people he personally KNOWS and LOVES is okay with him? In Razor he is so quick to kill his people on that mission and sacrifice Kara.

I know why the above were done. Razor was an idea that failed to implement. The idea was to force him to make him a situation where he had to sacrifice her. Except they failed to deliver on that scenario so it made him look bad. In EoJ someone had to be the one to say stay on the mission, Lee the soldier has to, not Sam the civilian. In Exodus, again it was about the dramatic, but also it was about getting rid of the Pegasus, so Lee taking the Pegasus on a suicide mission like he did only would work how they did it. The destruction of the Pegasus as they did got them an emmy, it's hard to argue with it.

I think overall it's seems lot of these plot necessities seems to always fall on Lee or Kara or both their heads. Try to name one major plot event that didn't hurt their story or cloud their character? You can't.

[shinyfab.livejournal.com]

The line in EoJ (and RDM's subsequent comment in the podcast for that ep) that Kara was 'catting around' on Sam with pretty much everyone before she and Lee got involved. It came out of RDM's desire to make that who Kara was without having noticed at all what she had actually done up until then. Also, the near frak w/ Lee on the table. Still on the fence about whether it could have actually happened, but mostly just the most anti-climactic baggage ever. Zack's death was much better. Er. That doesn't sound quite right.

[tee-sama.livejournal.com]

I've noticed a lot of people in fandom are extremely shippy. I don't have anything against it, just don't be angry at me for being multishipper. :(

I love Lee/Kara as much as I love Kara/Sam. And Lee/Kara/Sam? Yeah, that's the best solution as far as I'm concerned. :D

And Dee is not a saint. No one is. And she isn't either. She's not a bad person, but she's not 100% good one either. :(

[eridani8.livejournal.com]

One thing I always found a bit disconcerting, and it's something that has featured more so in canon than in fic, is Kara's tendency for conservative and occassionally right-wing politics. It's in her character write-up in the Bible, and comes out in a few little comments she makes here and there (particularly when a question of rights and military authority come up). I probably find them most jarring because they are quite oppositional to my own views, but also because I often wonder how successfully Kara and Lee could get along in the long term if they did actually have such diametric political perspectives- Lee being such a liberal progressive he verges on pure idealism sometimes.

If I can find them, I'll try and post some of Kara's more inflammatory remarks...

[mserrada.livejournal.com]

Hate, absolutely hate the idea that season 4 Kara wasn't even her. That it was some 'other' being/Angel/Aurora/whatever that came back as her.

I could buy that she died and came back as an angel, as long as it was really 'her'.

But, if it wasn't even Kara, why bother with 'her' journey in S4, the 'closure' she got with her dad, her doubts, etc? It makes it meaningless to the character and to us. It would mean that her destiny was to die, not find Earth2.

[baciami2.livejournal.com]

My non-negotiable is that that Kara & Lee do NOT have a "brother-sister vibe." Their relationship may be all kinds of frakked-up along the BSG saga's journey, but no where are they brother-sisterly. Even when they're fighting side=by=side with guns, it's not a b&s vibe. Even when they're sitting by the campfire on Kobol, it's not a b&s vibe. I have far less of a problem with people who say that they're each better off in other relationships or they try to change each too much or they're violent or sundry other critiques. I got it - you think this relationshp doesn't work. Okay, but it's still a relationship, not siblings!