Daily Pilots Post

[dramaturgca.livejournal.com]

Today is the day to post any entries there may be in the Where on Galactica drabblefest. There weren't many signups, but anyone who feels like submitting a drabble about our pilots and a location on Galactica is more than welcome!

For today's topic, are there any particular fannish conventions you've noticed in the BSG fandom? For example, I've noticed a propensity towards romance in storage lockers, though Kara and Lee, as far as I can tell, never actually share a locker in canon. Are there other things like this, fanon that's been used so often it feels like canon?

Comments

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

In fanon, Lee is often calling Dee "Ana". Does he ever do that in canon?

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

Yeah. That always seems to come out of nowhere! Totally throws me off when I'm reading fic!

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

The hook ups in storage lockers has its origin in season one when Boomer and Chief did do this. It's something that writers adapted to Lee and Kara.

[zenzero42.livejournal.com]

Kara calling Lee Flyboy. I don't think she ever does that in canon...

[zenzero42.livejournal.com]

.. and also "Adama", In fanfics, in particular accademy fics very often Kara calls Lee by his surname. I'm used to it now but at the beginning it sounded quite strange.

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

Actually there is a fanon convention that has never been confirmed in canon, but yet has been written so many times it certainly feels like it.

The idea that Kara and Zak met when Zak became her student. Cannon shows that Kara & Zak met first, but never established how Zak and Kara met. Yes, we all know that Kara was Zak's flight instructor, but it was never said that was how they met.

What do we know from cannon for sure? Zak died right after he "passed" flight school. Lee and Kara didn't see each other again until after the funeral for 2 years till the decommissioning ceremony aboard Galactica. Lee and Kara first met after Zak and Kara moved in together. It's not clear whether Zak & Kara were engaged yet in the Daybreak time frame.

Let's say Kara and Zak did meet as teacher and student. This means in a relatively short period of time they started dating and moved in together. Kara and Lee meet, and become good friends. From cannon we know Lee and Kara have shared a number of experiences the pic with Zak, Lee visiting Kara in hack, the infamous incident with the major.

Unless Zak's training was over a couple years time, it seems unlikely so much could have happened in such a short period of time. Is it possible? Sure. It just seems to me that the types of bonds Kara had to Zak and then Lee would take awhile to form. These ships felt something formed over years, not months.

Another fanon idea that is definitely not canon, is that Adama invited Kara to serve on his ship. This is not true. While not stated on the show. RDM in an answer to a Q&A said that Kara was already on Galactica, before Adama became its commander. He didn't say whether or not Adama got Kara posted there or not. Adama was commander on the Valkyrie when Kara got posted on Galactica.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

When was it ever established that Kara and Zac had moved in together? I don't remember that from the show and I never had that impression myself. Being engaged is not the same as living together and considering she was her teacher at the time, I guess it would look innappropriate to say the least.

As for the kind of bond Kara and Lee had before the attacks, I guess we were mislead into believing that their friendship had been going on for a longer period of time than it actually did. Nobody actually said anything about it but their easy connection and the level of feeling that was clearly there from the beginning made us assume that. I believe it is possible that they had an instant connection and had some sort of friendship but that doesn't have to mean they had known each other for a really long time.

I didn't know about the Valkyrie bit. I always assumed that Zac had died 2 years before the attacks and that Kara had transfered to Galactica right after his death. Adama did say once (in Act of Contrition, I believe) that she had been serving under him for two years. So that would mean that Adama was transfered to Galactica at about the same time or that Zac had died more than 2 years before the cylons came back.

The Drabble that Got Away

[kag523.livejournal.com]

Today is the day to post any entries there may be in the Where on Galactica drabblefest

Sorry - mine did NOT turn into a drabble - it ended up being much longer than that, but the end result is the same.

Read all about the pilot's ready room (film playing) being put to good use:
http://kag523.livejournal.com/61806.html

(Skip to part three if you are only seeking smut)

And just because I love playing with that photo... you get a picture to set the scene too:
(http://s931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/kag523/?action=view&current=sidebyside2.jpg)

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

In Daybreak Zak and Kara were living together. I thought they said so in that episode, or am I remembering incorrectly?

You are right about the reference in AoC, but RDM said they missed that reference, so that's a goof.

RDM said Adama always had a close relationship with Galactica, cause he served on it during the first cylon war and again when he was a major/colonel after reinstatement. So even when he wasn't serving on that ship, he knew the comings and goings on it. The way he put it was "So to me, he's been aboard for most of his career, at least in spirit."

I'm not 100% certain on the timing but Kara went to Galactica shortly after Zak's death (about 2 years before the attacks). Adama probably became commander not that much later(bringing Tigh & Gaeta with him).

Though to be fair it is feasible that Adama put in a good word for Kara to get her that assignment, as the timing would suggest as much. However it is not necessarily the case, so can't be considered cannon.

You could be right perhaps Lee and Kara didn't know each other long, but we saw that instant connection in Daybreak, and all the things we heard over the years, happened in a short time frame.

One thought I had is maybe when Zak went to basic training, he winded up on the base where Kara was teaching. This is how they met. It wasn't till later that he became her student. I'm sure their ship would have stayed on the down low cause of frat regs. So perhaps their ship could have lasted 2 years or even longer before he died. This could also mean Lee and Kara knew each other for a couple years before Zak's death. Also perhaps Lee winded up serving with Kara on that base for awhile, perhaps that's how that pic of Zak, Kara and Lee got taken, as they all appear to be in military attire in it with dog tags. Lee could have been posted to the Atlantia either just before Zak's death or over the next 2 years after his death. This is all speculation on my part, but I don't believe anything I said goes against cannon.

[(Anonymous)]

Kara and Lee's bunks across from each other

the stick up Lee's ass (or maybe it's just obvious to everyone but me because I have tendencies in that direction)

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

A few months ago I read a similar fanon/canon discussion, and there were a few points that completely surprised me when I realized they weren't actually established in canon. A few that I remember (all of them initially noticed by other people) were:

1) It's not definitively established in canon that Lee knew that Kara was planning to marry Zak. In Act of Contrition Bill Adama says that Zak wrote him a letter right before he died (we know it was right before he died because Zak was asking Bill to come to his graduation) which dropped hints that he had something important to tell him, and Bill guessed that he had been talking about getting engaged to Kara. But we don't know whether Zak was in touch with Lee at that time or not, and we don't know if Kara ever told Lee herself. What we do know is that Bill definitely guessed that they were engaged, and that Lee definitely knew that they were dating.

2) It's never established that the silver ring on Kara's thumb is from Zak, though a lot of fics assume it is their engagement ring.

3) It's never established that Kara and Lee fly particularly well as a team. They don't fly together very often, and we never see them doing any complex maneuvers together except for the "beyond insane" rescue in the miniseries, which was all Kara.

And in conclusion, have you noticed that Kara and Lee get it on constantly in fanon whereas they almost never do in canon? I know it's a subtle thing, but I have picked up on that divergent trend in fanfiction :)

[dramaturgca.livejournal.com]

And in conclusion, have you noticed that Kara and Lee get it on constantly in fanon whereas they almost never do in canon? I know it's a subtle thing, but I have picked up on that divergent trend in fanfiction :)

Okay, that's officially my favourite comment of the day. It bids fair to be my favourite comment of the week. Thank you for a much much needed laugh.

[ddt73.livejournal.com]

I have a question that may be another fanon, but really not sure.

Did Kara in cannon ever tell Lee he had a stick up his ass? She certainly has said that many times in fan fiction, but I can't remember her saying that to him on the show. If she did what episode was it?

Although in Final Cut Lee said to Kara "We are going to be short on pilots, till the rest of the fleet pulls the stick out of their collective fat ass." Would be ironic if this is the origin of it lol.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

I really don't remember that being said. Lee met Kara at a dinner in her apartment. But, considering Zac was a student and Kara was an instructor, I've always thought he lived on a students' dorm and she lived on her own, near the academy. Her place would be the best one for them to hang out and to receive friends.

So perhaps their ship could have lasted 2 years or even longer before he died. This could also mean Lee and Kara knew each other for a couple years before Zak's death. Also perhaps Lee winded up serving with Kara on that base for awhile,

I guess it would be possible - it's only especulation anyway, so we can create any background history for them. But, and I don't have any concrete reason for this but my own shipping heart, I choose to believe Kara and Zac hadn't been together for that long and, although Kara agreed to marry him, her feelings for him never compared to what she felt for Lee. She just didn't know better then. And Kara and Lee obviously spent some time together in some capacity but the amount of time they actually spent together or the number of times they actually saw each other before the attacks is irrelevant because their connection was effortless and natural and they had an almost instinctive understanding of the basic traits of the other's personality. :)