DPP: Starbuck and Apollo, Lee and Kara
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da_angel729 and I'm doing the DPP this week!
Today's post is something that's been swirling around in my brain for a while.
I've heard people say (and maybe even said it myself) that 'Starbuck' and 'Apollo' are almost persona that Lee and Kara adopt to help them through whatever crap they don't feel like doing. Especially in Kara's case. And that how they act when in that mode is somehow different than their normal personalities.
I don't necessarily think that is the case, and I'm not saying that they're have multiple personalities or anything. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they sometimes have moments that don't quite match up with what we've seen or come to expect from our characters. Kara especially comes across as widely different: there's been moments that I might classify as Kara rather than 'Starbuck'-moments where she's more vulnerable, perhaps, than one would expect a hotshot Viper pilot to be, though I hope it doesn't sound like I don't expect characters to be three-dimensional.
But it's interesting that for all of those moments, I don't think it ever really feels like a disconnect between who they are and what their 'persona' is, just another aspect of the character we see on screen.
So, some questions:
-What scenes or moments would you classify as wildly different for a character than what we've come to expect on-screen. In other words, what did Kara or Lee do or say that surprised you about them the first time on seeing it?
-Do you feel the callsigns allow our pilots to adopt different aspects of their personalities in a way that then seems distinct from their normal ones?
-And, how much of their 'persona' is just an extension of their personality, and how much of it is acting or faking it?
-To tie it back into pilots, do they seem more compatible when they're being (or showing typical behaviour of) Starbuck and Apollo or Lee and Kara? Lee and Starbuck? Kara and Apollo?
da_angel729 and I'm doing the DPP this week! Today's post is something that's been swirling around in my brain for a while.
I've heard people say (and maybe even said it myself) that 'Starbuck' and 'Apollo' are almost persona that Lee and Kara adopt to help them through whatever crap they don't feel like doing. Especially in Kara's case. And that how they act when in that mode is somehow different than their normal personalities.
I don't necessarily think that is the case, and I'm not saying that they're have multiple personalities or anything. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they sometimes have moments that don't quite match up with what we've seen or come to expect from our characters. Kara especially comes across as widely different: there's been moments that I might classify as Kara rather than 'Starbuck'-moments where she's more vulnerable, perhaps, than one would expect a hotshot Viper pilot to be, though I hope it doesn't sound like I don't expect characters to be three-dimensional.
But it's interesting that for all of those moments, I don't think it ever really feels like a disconnect between who they are and what their 'persona' is, just another aspect of the character we see on screen.
So, some questions:
-What scenes or moments would you classify as wildly different for a character than what we've come to expect on-screen. In other words, what did Kara or Lee do or say that surprised you about them the first time on seeing it?
-Do you feel the callsigns allow our pilots to adopt different aspects of their personalities in a way that then seems distinct from their normal ones?
-And, how much of their 'persona' is just an extension of their personality, and how much of it is acting or faking it?
-To tie it back into pilots, do they seem more compatible when they're being (or showing typical behaviour of) Starbuck and Apollo or Lee and Kara? Lee and Starbuck? Kara and Apollo?
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Date: 2010-06-24 01:10 am (UTC)What scenes or moments would you classify as wildly different for a character than what we've come to expect on-screen. In other words, what did Kara or Lee do or say that surprised you about them the first time on seeing it?
I don't know that there was anything they did that was surprising to me because I feel that the writers did a great job in the mini establishing the whole Starbuck/Kara and Apollo/Lee differences right off the bat. I mean, the first time in the brig, you could see Kara and Lee rather than Starbuck & Apollo, so there wasn't really any point where I thought, wow, didn't see that coming.
Do you feel the callsigns allow our pilots to adopt different aspects of their personalities in a way that then seems distinct from their normal ones?
Oh absolutely! I think they both definitely use it as a mask. They have a very serious job to do and in order to do it, their "humanity" has to be hidden and their precision has to be razor sharp. When they shift into their callsign mode, they turn everything else off, except of course, when they are near each other and the intensity of their K/L-ness keeps simmering up to the surface.
And, how much of their 'persona' is just an extension of their personality, and how much of it is acting or faking it?
I don't think there's any acting involved. Military people are trained to behave a certain way on the job and their callsigns reflect their work persona. When Kara is Starbuck, all her insecurities are clamped down and she is an out-of-the-box thinker and the best pilot in the fleet. When Lee is Apollo, his self-control and natural leadership skills allow him to be the CAG and live up to the expectation of being Adama's son. It's just a part of who they are, no acting or faking. BUT, I think what's really hard for both of them is that they are so comfortable in those skins that it's hard for them to just be Kara and Lee. THAT's when the "fun" starts. ;-)
To tie it back into pilots, do they seem more compatible when they're being (or showing typical behaviour of) Starbuck and Apollo or Lee and Kara? Lee and Starbuck? Kara and Apollo?
Starbuck & Apollo are clearly the perfect complement for each other. They work well together because they approach a situation from different angles so the overall result is that ALL the angles have been explored. Kara & Lee? Yeah, they WOULD work together if they let go. Their timing is always off and they just don't know how to get out of their own way, so while it's painfully obvious to everyone that K/L can work just as beautifully and seamlessly as S/A, it's not going to happen because neither one of them is in the right place at the right time (well, except maybe a little bit on NC).