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During the last few episodes of BSG, I was scribbling down all of my thoughts and predictions as to what might happen during the finale. Then the finale happened and I needed to find a way to accept what happened and how it ALL ended. So other than crying, talking with all of you lovely peeps; I wrote a list in the middle of the night. My version of what I’m thankful for that we got to see with pilots and what I wish we had gotten to see. This list made me more functional for the work week after the finale.

What I would like to know is what did you all do to cope with finale? Did you rewrite the end; create happy pilot gifs and icons? Did you make lists? I’m really curious about those who came into fandom after the finale.  Also, did anyone else have a wish list for pilots, things that we should have gotten to see?

Here is a link for a zip file of all the songs mentioned in yesterday's DPP: Megaupload

If this doesn't work or you want me to post it on another sight, just let me know.


**REMINDER: The revelations for the challenge from last week are due Sunday, May 16th.**
I was supposed to post this yesterday but I fail!:)


Date: 2010-05-13 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosetteferaud.livejournal.com
That's an interesting topic! I will come later with some thoughts but first, I want to thank you for the songs zip file, you are so cool!! (I just downloaded the zip and it works just fine :D).

Date: 2010-05-13 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ecstaticdance.livejournal.com
What did I do to cope...

Well, first I wrote this (http://jeneviverose.livejournal.com/824.html)

Then, I started Echoes (http://jeneviverose.livejournal.com/tag/echoes%20chapter), which is maybe about a third done.

And somewhere in the middle of Echoes [livejournal.com profile] ameliak prompted a hand shake fic which turned into Talking Hands (http://jeneviverose.livejournal.com/19651.html)

And then there's the crack!consolation. For example, just this morning, I was reading something about pigeons, and how they always find their way home (i.e. - "homing pigeons"), and realized that maybe just maybe RDM really is the idiot savant genius that he thinks he is! Kara really WAS a homing pigeon! And she always found her way home! To LEEEEE!!! :-D

Date: 2010-05-13 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stripes13.livejournal.com
Crack!consolation like that has saved my sanity more than once

Date: 2010-05-13 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelindeed.livejournal.com
I'll join this discussion from the perspective of someone who only started watching the show after it was already over, and who had heard enough going into the finale to know that it wouldn't end happily for Kara and Lee, and that a lot of people hated the episode overall. My low expectations turned out to be a tremendous help, because I wound up actually liking much of the finale. I didn't have to suffer through the shock, and I was prepared enough not to feel betrayed. The things I disliked were kind of unusual for a Kara/Lee shipper, in that I was alright with the actual final storyline but I loathed all the flashback storylines. I know - I'm weird.

I think the final Kara/Lee scene should have been better written and shot (we all wanted more emotion), but I don't have a fundamental problem with the poof the way almost everyone else does. Lee's muted reaction was the most problematic part of it, and although I'm not crazy about it, I understand the point the scene was trying to convey (she has found peace, and loving her has enriched him rather than broken him; they are both strong enough for this love and this loss ~ together they saved the world, but not for themselves). I don't think it was disrespectful to their characters in its concept (or even if it was, I think it left open a lot of room for interpretation), though its execution did leave much to be desired.

I'm not trying to argue that the finale was objectively good - I know it caused a lot of people pain, which totally sucks, and of course I wish that the writers would've stopped sabotaging Kara and Lee's potential for the sake of 'drama' LONG before the finale. I wish they'd had time to work through their emotional issues and professional responsibilities and finally get to have what they so desperately wanted and deserved. But I didn't find it unrealistic that they never had the chance.

They were caught in an incredibly brutal war, and they lived on the front lines for years. They were both, in their own ways, emotionally troubled (especially Kara), they were in their mid-twenties and being forced to shoulder responsibilities for the fate of the human race. I can accept that, in such circumstances, a woman like Kara would live a life both luminous and short. I'm sorry that that's the way her story went, but I didn't think it betrayed the fundamental character.

A lot of people are bitter about the role of fate in stripping her of free will, and I understand that perspective and I'm not trying to talk anyone out of it. But, from my perspective, Kara did make a choice, a choice consistent with her character, way back in Maelstrom: she chose to sacrifice herself for the good of humanity, to make peace with the woman who had hurt her most horribly, and to surrender herself to a leap of faith (and faith was always a fundamental, incomprehensible part of her). That was her choice, and from her perspective it looked like a victory. The consequences of that choice were baffling and inescapable, but I can't regard her as a puppet in the process. I didn't regard her as a puppet when she chose to sacrifice her life in "Razor" for the sake of a military mission; I don't regard her as a puppet for choosing to lay down her life in an act of faith, either. Both devotions - as a loyal soldier and a follower of prophecy - were part of who she was and who she chose to be throughout the series.

And Lee was pretty much the only person I can imagine being strong enough to love her so completely for the person she was, and to not be destroyed by sharing - and ultimately surviving - the tragic path she both chose and was guided to follow. This was the only time he didn't hate her for leaving him; he seemed to understand what her sacrifice had bought for the human race, and was willing to share the price with her.

That's why I didn't hate it, but I'm sure I would have felt *very* differently if I had experienced it the way many of you did, after years of devotion and expectation and hope. And I think we can all agree that very little of this interpretation came through clearly in the finale scene in question. I just fill in the blanks with unhealthy enthusiasm :)

Date: 2010-05-13 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com
Your posts make my brain melt. In a good way. :)

I also came to the show after it had ended (I had managed to not know anything about it, though). Watching it over 39 days instead of years, I came at the finale from a different place, too. I didn't have 4 seasons and 5+ years invested, and I had the benefit of watching the whole arc play out on consecutive nights.

(she has found peace, and loving her has enriched him rather than broken him; they are both strong enough for this love and this loss ~ together they saved the world, but not for themselves)

That's what I thought, too. Sure I wanted either a walk-off-into-the-sunset or heroic, explosive death, but I got that he'd reached a place where he could go on. Doesn't mean I didn't tear up, but I got it.

Re: free will, I actually had taken the poof to be a free will action on Kara's part. She didn't know where she was going, but she knew she was done on that plane of existence and that it wouldn't be right to linger now that her mission was accomplished. Right or wrong, Kara Thrace & Her Special Destiny had reached the end of her human path. And I agree that it never felt like she wasn't choosing. In Razor and Maelstrom and everywhere Kara tried to take one for the team.

This was the only time he didn't hate her for leaving him; he seemed to understand what her sacrifice had bought for the human race, and was willing to share the price with her.

THIS. I love post-finale fics where he does go exploring. I felt like he'd realized they weren't getting their bright shiny futures back in Islanded, and him talking about exploring didn't feel like he was talking about them doing it.

Not the finale I wanted, but it fit into the S4 mythos I had constructed.

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Date: 2010-05-13 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
See, the thing I hated most about the finale is that it asked us to fill in those blanks.

I wanted to see this story come to its own natural and fitting conclusion and not have to fanwank it.

I think that's why my first reaction (http://taragel.livejournal.com/45038.html#cutid1) to the finale was most prevalently very strong anger. Not even sadness, but anger first and foremost.

Because in their lack of execution on all points, they were taking the easy way out and making the audience do the work they should have done as storytellers.

The writers needed to work harder to make their ending fit the story they'd been telling.

Overall, my first reaction was a lot of anger that that hand-waving mess of an episode had been the culmination of what was mostly a very compelling and rewarding story.

For pilots specifically, I was angry and uncomprehending at how ill-fitting the end was because it was so devoid of meaningful excahnge between them both in the present and the past. So I wrote meta-crack-fic (http://taragel.livejournal.com/46956.html) about Kara and her destiny (which for my money was also poorly handled in Maelstrom's execution) and then I joined forces with Bee to write silly, smutty, fix-it fic (http://taragel.livejournal.com/53045.html) for the back half of 4.5. I meta (http://taragel.livejournal.com/45165.html) and meta'd some more (http://taragel.livejournal.com/46291.html) a bit in there too.

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Date: 2010-05-13 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosetteferaud.livejournal.com
You know, rationally, I can accept all this. And it's funny, because ”my reaction” (http://cosetteferaud.livejournal.com/16106.html) after the finale was very zen --holding on to pretty much the same arguments you have pointed out. My main problem, though, is that deep down I know everything was lazy writing. RDM killed Kara for the shock value and, in the end, he chose the easy way out with her. I can deal just fine with the notion of Kara becoming Jesus an angel/goddess who saved humanity on a philosophical level, but my understanding of the character always revolved more around her tribulations as a woman --her life as a viper pilot, her loves and her personal demons--, than her damn big role as a mythological construct. So the fact that none of these aspects seemed to play a significant role in her ultimate purpose and that she was reduced to some sort of plot device in S4 was disappointing, frustrating and really annoying. Honestly, I felt cheated. And Kara and Lee's goodbye... I know what they were going for but the execution was so poorly handled, so cold and ambiguous... The lack of a real closure for them still breaks my heart, after so many months.

But well, I am with you that your perspective of the finale was possibly shaped by your own experience as a viewer. It's interesting to compare the reactions between those who watched the show in "real time" --probably much more emotionally invested after years of obsessing over the show and these characters-- and those who watched the whole story when it was over. I am in the middle, I guess; this show and this pairing had so much potential, the ending could have been something sublime and truly epic if only they would have given it more thought. But alas, we got what we got. I know I will never be ok with that ending, but since I can't reject it, I've tried to rationalize it. And I've reached a point where and I can see some beauty in it.

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Date: 2010-05-13 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nazkey.livejournal.com
Bravo! Well said.

Like you, I actually watched the series in one fell swoop after my friend lent me the mini during the holidays last year, so I didn't have the time investment either. But, having watched it in the obsessive, I don't have time for doing anything other than watching this way that I did, it affected me on a very deep level. It literally changed my life.

Now, on to the ending. It's funny, but I actually don't have a problem with the K/L resolution either. I get it. The "angel" Kara was not really Kara. She was a "being of light," a "harbinger." She was ... Aurora. (PS There's a great fic out there with her being just that, full on with wings and everything. It's awesome. If any of you have a link to it, please share cuz my fic list is a total mess right now)

I never considered the possibility that K/L would end up together. If you look at BSG's world the way it was intended, i.e. in shades of gray, then K/L's getting together would've ruined that sense of reality. The only time that it could've happened was after the algae planet when Kara point blank offers herself to Lee and even then, as much as I always hated Lee's not "manning up," I understood why he didn't trust/believe her.

My biggest problem with the finale was the flashbacks. I think portraying Kara as some drunk slut who would double-dog dare her boyfriend's brother to do her on the dining room table was a real low blow for her character. The Kara that we know and love would never do that. I always hated it when RDM & Co. somehow implied that Kara was just looking for a quick frak, no matter what the cost. The flashbacks also did a huge disservice to Lee's character. The fact that he would even consider taking her up on her dare went against everything that Lee believes in (or at least, everything they had established for his character.) The entire sequence felt out of place, OOC and just pissed me off.

What I hated more than our pilot story lines in the finale was pretty much everything else. The whole idea of flying technology in to the sun (yeah, it's a really good idea to plot a collision course in to the sun with a bunch of ships full of tylium. Sure.), the Chief deciding he's had it with humanity, Six & Tigh's hanging storyline, all of it. Very sloppy. It was almost as if the writers had written themselves into several corners with different plot lines and didn't bother to clean things up in the end.

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Date: 2010-05-14 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kag523.livejournal.com
Mmmm.. That is perhaps the only explanation I've read that actually makes me feel somewhat consoled by the ending. Wow! (I'm still going to believe my extended version is the real one, but that's my prerogative as a writer.) :D

Date: 2010-05-14 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damao2010.livejournal.com
Well, first of all, let me start by saying that I really love to read your thoughts on all the topics discussed here.

I also started watching BSG after the show had ended and, therefore, I didn't go through years of emotional build-up. I hadn't really read anything about the episodes beforehand and had no idea where everything would lead or how the writers would wrap everything up. To me it was all a surprise.

Having said that, I have to say I didn't hate the finale. But I can't say that I wasn't disappointed by lots of things, either. And the romantic in me felt robbed of a happier ending for Kara and Lee. At least I needed to get more of a closure for them.

I loved their flashback scenes because they established that the attraction/connection between them had been there from the very beginning. And I could have accepted the poof better, if throughout the series the writers hadn't gone to such lengths to keep them apart , often resorting to really contrived plot lines (IMHO) to do so. In other words, if they had had more of a closure before Maelstrom , or ,as you put it, if writers had "stopped sabotaging Kara and Lee's potential for the sake of 'drama' ".

I never really got the whole death/angel plot line. It never made any sense to me (no matter how much I loved the scene in which Lee tells her he doesn't care about any of that). I feel it wasn't really necessary to resort to that in order to make Kara special, or for her to fulfill her destiny in a religious/prophetized way. Even so, I really loved your take on Kara's decision to sacrifice herself as an act of free will. I also loved your take on Lee's emotional state, as well ("loving her has enriched him rather than broken him";"Lee was pretty much the only person I can imagine being strong enough to love her so completely for the person she was, and to not be destroyed by sharing - and ultimately surviving - the tragic path she both chose").

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Date: 2010-05-13 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeebs83.livejournal.com
Hey thanks for posting the reminder! :D

I'll be back to this topic after work.
:)

Date: 2010-05-13 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kag523.livejournal.com
I started watching BSG late... I am a HUGE sci fi fan, and I didn't want to even begin until I had the complete series to watch in sequence. It took me three weeks to get through the entire thing. I was hooked by the time I got to the end of the miniseries, and I was a complete mess when I got to the end of the finale. "What the frak was that?!?" I kept thinking... "Where is my closure? Where is the explanation of all of those things I wanted. What happened to the whole Lee / Kara dynamic that was a key ingredient to the vast majority of the series?"

As a freelance writer, I find those kind of discrepancies drive me nuts. I started poking through existing fanfiction (again a first) in search of the "real" ending I was sure was out there. There were some great ones, but none that did everything I wanted. At the same time I started writing a list of what I'd do if I was Ron Moore. (God complex, I realize.) Essentially I decided that if the BSG canon was perfect AS IT WAS... could I rewrite an extended ending that explained everything? It took me about four months to get the rough draft done. I posted daily once I started doing good copy.

The finished fic is on ff.net (abridged) and here on LJ (in its smutty completeness):

http://kag523.livejournal.com/893.html

Stuff that I wanted answers for, and included:
- Where does Kara 'go' when she disappears?
- Who is "Daniel", cylon 13?
- Why did he leave the colony?
- Where did Charbuck (the body on Earth 1.0) come from?
- How could Lee see Kara explode, but still have that extra body hanging around on Earth 1.0?
- Why can't Cottle and Baltar come up with an effective cylon detector?
- Why doesn't Roslin die from the transfusion?
- Where does the whole 'it has happened before...' wheel of time concept come from? (I'm a big Robert Jordan fan... his influences are in my own writing).
- Who is Dreilide Thrace?
- How does the piano player show up?
- Why does Sam decide to fly the fleet to the sun, when any one of the computers would have been capable of the same?
- How would the colonials plan for survival on an unknown planet?
- What would life be like mere years after the ships disappeared?

It was a cathartic and fabulous experience... and it also totally hooked me on writing fanfiction. (I'm in the middle of my first pre-series AU right now.)

If you haven't read it, you are more than welcome to check it out! :>)

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Date: 2010-05-14 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyras.livejournal.com
Like Rachelindeed and a couple of others, I came to BSG late, although I remained more or less unspoiled until the end. Mainly my reaction to the finale was: weep through the last few minutes (as well as half the episodes - I don't think I've ever cried so much over a TV show before), stare at the screen, say, "What?" and replay the last few minutes...and then start writing fic (while still crying).

I didn't get around to editing that fic for several months. Normally my first drafts are awful, but this time, I found that the language I used in the first draft was much better than the stuff I was trying to come up with while editing. Something about the wave of emotion I was writing on, I guess. :)

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Date: 2010-05-14 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifishipper.livejournal.com
My answer is short because I can't bear to think about it.

I sat with my mouth hanging open in complete and utter shock. When Lee and Adama were walking along the river talking about chucking the tech into the sun, I had a sense of well-being, that even though I thought burning it all up was kinda impulsive and ill-thought, I saw such great potential and had a great and deep sense of satisfaction that the fleet had finally found earth and they could all have some hard-fought peace.

I did not expect for my heart to be ripped out of my chest.

I was actually depressed for about ten days and unable to separate my dizzying S3/4+ shotgunning from reality. I told my BFF that I though I might be going crazy. It took a long time to feel like it was ok.

Then I found LJ and my world got a whole fucking lot brighter.

In a fucked up kind of way, the finale is one of the best things to ever happen to me - I found you all here at LJ. It's made me very very happy.

That is all. (And not so short, I guess.)

Date: 2010-05-14 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kag523.livejournal.com
That makes me so happy - because the whole reason I got involved in fan fiction and LJ was the same feeling. Back atcha! :>)

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Date: 2010-05-14 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shah-of-blah.livejournal.com
I have limited connectivity at the moment, so I haven't read all of the comments yet, but here goes...

My coping method: I wrote The Disappearing Ground. I started less than 24 hours after the finale aired, and pretty much wrote it all in one fell swoop. However, I wasn't exactly angry at the time. I liked the finale. I still like most of it. Just, you know, there are a few bits towards the end there I could have done without. But anyway, my intention in writing The Disappearing Ground had been to explore a very persistent what-if scenario. What if Lee had reached for Kara in that damn field? And my reasoning was because he wouldn't have been able to let go. And for whatever reason, my brain decided this would have been a bad thing, and set about writing a story about how things could have been so much worse.

I was a little surprised by the reactions to the story (understatement). And as time passed, I left behind my initial shock and started to think critically about the finale and other issues with the series. But I somehow circumvented the 'anger' stage and just went straight to acceptance or whatever.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifishipper.livejournal.com
I wrote The Disappearing Ground.

That's the one, babe. That's the canon finale fic for me. Does it all. Says it all. My favorite.

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Date: 2010-05-14 02:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How I coped with the finale--
lots of crying, lots of chocolate, lots of reading shipper comms on LJ to make myself feel better that I wasn't alone in feeling like my heart was ripped out and thrown on the floor.
And I wrote a short fix it finale starting at the point when Lee and Kara watched Adama and Roslin fly away. (fanfiction.net, username desertpalm).
Reading other shippers' fix it fics and thoughts on LJ, esp. rants and sparkle!rage, also helped A LOT with the coping. And leiascully's AU:NY helps too because I really really like the idea they were reincarnated in present time- like that finale deleted scene of them walking together. disclaimer: the deleted scene that is shipper wishful thinking not reality

Date: 2010-05-14 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninjamonkey73.livejournal.com
Just got back to this post to catch up. It's interesting that so many of the writers among us wrote things to "fix" the finale right afterwards. I have yet to tread there. Once I got to the depressing poof, what I needed closure on first was- what the heck happened off screen in "Colonial Day" to send her to Baltar's bed at the start of "Kobol's Last Gleaming 1"? Heh. Funny how some folks really needed an ending and others just needed our pilots to make sense at some point in the arc. :)

Date: 2010-05-15 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherylad.livejournal.com
What did I do? Well, I didn't break my TV. Though there was a moment or two there...

I bitched absolutely to high heaven FOR WEEKS. Okay, maybe it was months. Alright, alright, a year. Plus. So, yeah, I vented a lot.

I don't write FF myself, but I threw plot bunnies at a number of my talented friends and waited with clenched jaw and fists for them to fix it for me.

I refused to buy 4.5 and won't watch Caprica. Hell, I even stopped watching Smallville when I realized Mark Verheiden was a writer on it. I can not trust anything the writers or producers will do after what they did to BSG. Not just with Kara & Lee but the whole damned thing. I know, I know, the finale is on RDM (who clearly wasn't watching the show his writers had been writing and the directors had been directing all the way up through IiaSoS) but, that not ONE of them has said a word, even an oblique one, about the lack of story-telling integrity in the finale turns me off to all of them.

I drank a good bit, cried (and felt pretty stupid about THAT) and then, moved on with my Shippers.

I didn't *touch* my DVD's and for the most part *still* can't rewatch with getting ragey (thus my absence from the rewatch. I tried, I did!!).

I too thought I was losing my mind in those initial days because seriously, I could not envision myself as someone who gets so wrapped up in a television shows that it consumes me. (My family came to that question 2 years+ prior!!) I made some incredible friends due to BSG and for the path to them, I'll be eternally grateful. But, it also changed the way I approach any entertainment venue. I was never a skeptic before, but wow I am now! And, I really don't appreciate that. The flip-side of that though is, I'm older than just about anyone around this comm or even in the fandom I've met, but I can say that I've never ever connected as strongly to a creative endeavor or a pair of characters as I did to BSG and Kara & Lee. And, though I'm still heartbroken over the ending, I'm grateful for feeling that connection.

Edited Date: 2010-05-15 03:35 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2010-05-17 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] coffeesuperhero.livejournal.com
Why am I always late to these parties? ::shakes fist::

Let's see. First, I came home and poured myself a healthy measure of whiskey.
Second, I ranted about it on my LJ.
Third, I waited 'til I had the house to myself and wrote this for Lee (http://coffeesuperhero.livejournal.com/143936.html) and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed.
Fourth, after the next round of the BSG Pornbattle, I started writing my fluffy Adama Brothers AU.

I haven't watched Daybreak or any of 4.5 since the finale. I know it's been a year. But I just don't want to go back to that place. :/ Sigh.

Date: 2010-05-17 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antismiles.livejournal.com
what did you all do to cope with finale?

Employed copious amounts of snark.

Also, fantasized about marching on Ron Moore's house. It helped a lot.

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