DPP: Previous Ship

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

We talked some time ago (a couple of week I think) about the ship that helped us (or not) to get over pilots.

What I'm proposing as subject for today is to talk about the couples that we shipped before the pilots and how did they prepared us (or not) for Kara and Lee. So, what was your ship before them? Is that couple similar to this one or not? 

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[dramaturgca.livejournal.com]

I was mostly a slasher before pilots. I would definitely say that I went for pairings that were a marriage of opposites though, Jack O'Neill/Daniel Jackson and Benton Fraser/Ray Kowalski.

[angelicalangie.livejournal.com]

There are some Awesome Jack/Daniel fics out there (I know because my sister is forever texting me excerpts as she reads them lol)

[angelicalangie.livejournal.com]

Let's see

Stargate SG-1

Sam and Martouf
Sam and Malek

Staragate Atlantis
Rodney McKay and Elizabeth Weir

Star Trek Voyager
Captain Janeway and Chakotay
Chakotay and Seven of Nine
Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres

Star Trek The Next Generation
Jean Luc Picard and Beverly Crusher

Star Trek Enterprise
Trip Tucker and T'Pol
Malcolm Reed and Hoshi Sato

Torchwood
Captain Jack and Ianto Jones

Dr Who
10 and Rose (how obvious huh)
11 and Amy (yes, I know that is wrong)

Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
Buffy and Angel
Buffy and Spike

Angel
Angel and Cordelia

I am certain there must be more ship I shipped hard with, but ... Memory fails

[scifishipper.livejournal.com]

I shipped a lot of couples that got various kinds of endings, good, bad, none, but none of them prepared me for the heartbreak of pilots. Not even close. There was something about their epic romance that made me believe that they HAD to end up together. So much torment and heartbreak and pain that had, IMO, earned something like a happy ending. The utter shock of the poof disabled every possibility of a future. Pulled plug. Cut power. Dead.

So unbelievably and traumatically sad. I can't even.

[winegums.livejournal.com]

There was something about their epic romance that made me believe that they HAD to end up together. So much torment and heartbreak and pain that had, IMO, earned something like a happy ending.

Exactly - I can see similarities between pilots and the closest thing I had to a ship before them, but the magnitude of the devastation pilots wrought on my heart.....there was NO way it could have prepared me for that.

[bluuefiire.livejournal.com]

Sums it up for me perfectly too....I'm still not "over" it...I just have to step away sometimes (and often go read MintEnergy's extended/fixed ending)

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

Maddie and David from Moonlighting are very dear to me, and remind me a little of Kara and Lee.

First Official Date and/or Breakup in a Laundromat scene - 'You know my garbage' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKfQCh0FVDA)

And they prepared me for pilots in the sense that the destruction of their relationship was more traumatic and drawn-out than anything on BSG, to the extent that it's all anyone ever remembers about the show now, which is a shame.

And Kira and Odo on Deep Space Nine remind me of Kara and Lee in some ways; their contrast in temperament, the way that a huge part of their relationship is founded in the work they do together, the way they can be amazingly honest and spectacularly deceitful with each other, and ultimately they see each other at their best and worst. I just looked up this little scene between them, which has a pilots vibe in my mind. It's something about the way Kira can't talk about her feelings, and Odo gets that and supports her anyway.

KIRA: Odo, I've just been informed of the increased criminal activity on the Promenade.
ODO: It's not as bad as it sounds, Major. We're talking about a few incidents of petty theft. I've already assigned two deputies.
KIRA: I'd prefer that you handle the matter yourself.
ODO: If you think it's necessary.
KIRA: I do. And make sure that you keep me informed of your progress.
ODO: Of course. Is there something else on your mind?
KIRA: Meaning what?
ODO: Meaning I talked with Doctor Bashir. He told me that you seemed irritable. I see he's not exaggerating. Would you care to tell me what's bothering you?
KIRA: I appreciate the offer, Odo, but I don't think talking about it is going to help.
ODO: Sounds serious.
KIRA: It is.
ODO: Well, if you won't talk about it, perhaps you should consider doing something about it.

~~

It's just nice to see that kind of respect from him to her, that confidence that she can deal with whatever serious issue this is, the lack of ego in the way he supports her. I like it.

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

Oh, Maddie and David... I used to be so fond of them... It's been so long since I've seen them that I hardly remember them anymore. How sad is that?

They used to make me laugh. I didn't miss an episode. I do remember that their end was even worse than Kara and Lee's, though. And that they became the very symbol of ships gone wrong. All due to utter writers' failure. It's what happens when they try to go out of their way to stop characters natural development. As much as the Quad of Doom and the poof disappoint and frustrate me, they were not enough of a betrayal of my beloved characters to make me so mad I couldn't stand them.

Anyway, now I want to go back and watch Moonlighting again. (The beginning, of course). :)

[rachelindeed.livejournal.com]

It's definitely worth rewatching! I think those first three seasons hold up very well. And even after the writing starts going terribly wrong, the acting - especially Bruce Willis - is still kind of heartbreakingly good.

Ha, and of course it was another 'Sam' who showed up as a romantic rival! Gotta keep an eye on those Sams :)

[damao2010.livejournal.com]

Although I've enjoyed and rooted for many different pairs over the years, there was only one ship that I really got into that compares to pilots. That was Mulder and Scully. I loved the way they were so different and yet so respectful and supportive of each other. I loved that they completed each other in ways they had never expected. I loved that they were friends, first and foremost.

I wouldn't say they prepared for pilots because their story was not quite so doomed. I hated that the writers also dragged their being apart far too long and that when they finally got them together it was not as satisfying as I hoped for. But then, the show itself had become too confusing and unsatisfying in general. However, we at least had years of friendship and banter and adorable UST and a sort of happy ending.

[winegums.livejournal.com]

I'd was actually a shipping virgin pre-pilots, if you can believe that - as in, I'd certainly liked some fictional people getting together but never got all that invested in them to the point where the idea of one of them ending up with an alternate love interest was annoying.

The closest thing to shippy I'd ever got before pilots was Buffy/Spike in some earlier seasons of Buffy, and I found that pairing more interesting than Buffy and Angel during the Great Shipwars of 2000-present, but ultimately it was always fine by me if Spike got back with Drusilla or Buffy found a new boyfriend.

As for how they prepared me for pilots.....they had equal amounts of angst and banter, and it got really, REALLY dark in some places. Compared to vanilla, teen-love Angel, they were the opposite of boring and at one point, actually became friends of a sort - which is a trope I really like, if pilots are anything to go by. But when it comes to the heartbreak that is pilots, it certainly couldn't have prepared me for that.

[lanalucy]

No one I've ever 'shipped prepared me for the heartbreak of Lee and Kara's end per canon. I thought that Kara had experienced some unbelievable growth, coming back from captivity and from the "dead" and that she was finally able to get to a place of peace, where she would be able to handle a relationship with Lee, honestly and maturely, though probably never smoothly. I also thought that a big part of the reason she clung so hard to Sam in the last few eps was some subconscious I-killed-Zak-I-can't-abandon-Sam thing stuck in her head. I was so sure she would be OK when he died (and I knew he would die, even if I didn't see it coming the way the show did it). I was devastated at the end we were given. I've read several post-Poof stories that have made me feel better, but...

As far as previous and subsequent 'ships, though, mine aren't always the romantic ones. I watch TV for the 'ships and many times, it's the friendships, the deep, intimate connections that *aren't* romantic that keep me watching.