DPP: Show Yourself!!

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Welcome to this week's DPP, everyone!

I'm going to kick this off with something we haven't had at all this year (WAY too long if you ask me), i.e.

THE FRIENDING MEME!!!!!!!!

I've noticed some new faces among the comments in the last few months, so whether you're new to the comm or a returning friendly, consider this the Shipper Nation Roll Call aka our very own Bat-Signal and show yourself - we want to get to know you all (or know you all over again)!

(all you have to do is copy/paste the code below into your comment, and answer the questions - as many or as few of them as you'd like)

<b>Name/Callsign:</b>
<b>Age/Location (if you want):</b>
<b>When did you start watching BSG?</b>
<b>Why do you ship K/L?</b>
<b>Do you ship anyone else in the show?</b>
<b>How did you find this comm?</b>

<b>Favorite character(s):</b>
<b>Least favourite character(s)</b>
<b>Favourite episode:</b>
<b>Favourite scene:</b>
<b>Favourite eyefrak:</b>
<b>Favourite handclasp/handshake:</b>
<b>Favourite pilotkiss:</b>
<b>Favourite Lee!Hair:</b>
<b>Favourite Kara!Hair:</b>
<b>Favourite pilotfic:</b>
<b>When it comes to pilots fandom, are you more into (reading or writing) fic, meta, or just plain squee? Or do you prefer other fanworks for them (fanmixes, graphics etc). 

<b>Other fandoms:</b>
<b>Favourite book:</b>
<b>Favourite movie:</b>
<b>Favourite tv show (currently airing):</b>
<b>Favourite tv show(completed):</b>

<b>What do you post on your journal?</b>
<b>Are you open to adding new friends to your FList or are you just super private and prefer to keep things locked down until you get to know people properly?</b>
<b>List your Twitter and chat (AIM, gChat, Yahoo) if you'd like</b>
<b>Three random facts about you:</b>
<b>If you could meet any person (dead, alive, real, fictional, apart from pilots of course) who would you choose?</b>
<b>Anything else you'd like to share?</b>

feel free to back up your answers with pics, gifs and all that jazz - evidence of why stuff is your favourite is very much welcome :)

Comments

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I can even live with Kara cutting and running after that heartfelt and honest conversation, because it's very in character for her to be TERRIFIED of her own feelings and regress straight back into denial (the 'we were drunk even if we were completely lucid and understood what we were saying' added to the 'this is never going to work out, what was I thinking, I'll end up killing him'), but what really annoys me about pilots' characters in UBEX is the present-day stuff.

Especially that scene where Kara confronts Lee about not him denying a married-couples' billet to her and Sam - I never understood that, because it contradicts everything about their characters that we've seen so far including their characters in this very episode - Kara is quite obvious about not wanting Sam for anything but sex/having VERY mixed feelings about the very idea of getting back together with him in a 'real marriage' (so why, if she's asked for a billet for the two of them, would she be that cold to him in the opening scene, pretty much making it clear they are nothing but frak buddies?) and Lee repeatedly makes it clear that he wants nothing at all to do with Kara or her love life (so why would he be vindictive enough to deny the request?)

This show tried to sell me on more than one of these five-minutes-in-the-making couples as OTPs/a Real Thing That Should Happen*, I had to snort in EoJ when Sam said he knew his wife. I cannot for the life of me understand why people take that line seriously and literally, because as we saw just two episodes prior to this, he didn't even know WHY exactly she married him!

And as for Dee, I think she idealised Lee a great deal, even as she saw his flaws - she could deal with him cheating on her with the love of his life as long as he ultimately gave in to his own guilt (I think him having to order Dee to rescue Kara just set the seal on it) and chose her instead. But with the trial, coming as it did after Kara's death and Lee becoming an emotional zombie and then proceeding to chuck everything she values about him - the military, the idea of being an Adama/like his father, and even using his principles to rally around to the 'wrong' side......it kind of makes sense.

And sorry for the repeated edits, but I am so glad we are on the same page about Sam. He's nice and fun for two episodes, but superfluous for the rest, and frankly Kara's emotional state over him getting shot in the later episodes is just classic Kara Dead-Guy I-Couldn't-Save-Him Guilt Issues. Like Bee says, it's easier for Kara to give in and let out her feelings about a guy who's dead/as good as dead (or she thinks so, anyway) than to deal with the real-life ones right in front of her, because the dead guy can't actively cause her pain anymore. Which is why I don't buy Goo Tub Sam as some indicator that Kara and Sam should be OTPs, because look what it's based on - Kara just doesn't have the self-awareness to realise it, is all. And yes, she doesn't need someone taking all her crap either - many fans don't like Lee because he actually acts like a normal person and not some perfect, forgiving god/actually calls her on it, but that is why I love them together. :)


*non-pilots example: Tigh/Caprica Six

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Winegums, you are on fire.
but what really annoys me about pilots' characters in UBEX is the present-day stuff
err... YES!!! Holy hell the contradictory everything! It doesn't make sense!!! And it makes them both so needlessly vicious and vindictive. And it just doesn't. make. sense. It's like, um, have you met your characters? Have you watched your show? Have you even read the rest of this episode. No really, wtf?! Ugh.

I had to snort in EoJ when Sam said he knew his wife
You and me both!! I mean, come on!! You know her, Sam? Dude. You had a couple of days on Caprica and a year under totally false pretences on New Caprica before shit went down. That's it. Once the occupation was over and you were back together, things were already clearly not ok. You do not know Kara. You have an idealised version of Kara on a pedastal. With apologies to GRR Martin, you know nothing Samuel Anders.

DeadGuyIssues, GooBathOTPStupidity.... Yeah. We are SO on the same page - you edit as much as you like!! And I'M so glad we're on the same page about THIS: yes, she doesn't need someone taking all her crap either - many fans don't like Lee because he actually acts like a normal person and not some perfect, forgiving god/actually calls her on it, but that is why I love them together. Because ... YES!! I have to admit I've been quite confused to discover that feeling about Lee in fandom. I mean... maybe it's just me, but love isn't about enabling your partner's self-destructiveness, endlessly forgiving it or allowing them to lose themselves in it either. It's about holding a mirror up to it, helping them recognise it, BEING THERE to absolutely support them through it, and ultimately, helping them to overcome it. Which is (and maybe it's only in my head, maybe I'm overinterpreting, it's happened before) exactly what Lee offers her in UBEX. But RDM can't let them have that, and I just.... can't. Because I think that really IS what they offer each other (because she calls him on his shit too, of course), and it's why I love them too!! I'm so glad that's how you see them as well :)

Tigh/Caprica Six
......................................yes. >:[
*head desk*

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Lee gets a lot of fandom hate, what with people saying he's 'too goody-goody' for them....which is weird, because we're shown time and again how flawed he is.

Lee/Dee and Kara/Sam may LOOK like the more ideal couples on paper (endlessly forgiving, not without feelings for each other), but I will never buy them as OTPs, I refuse to have that wool pulled over my eyes.

And I think one thing UBEX did right was including Lee's morning-after proposal scene, it makes it absolutely crystal clear that their marriages were not so much a conscious choice of their other partners but more a rejection of each other - that much is consistent with their characters and that situation, even if Dee is playing martyr and annoying me.

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which is weird, because we're shown time and again how flawed he is
*highfives you* also, *slowclap*

This has been fun winegums! Thank you for indulging my rehashing :)
We must do this again sometime!!

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I love nothing in the world more than rehashing, especially rehashing pilots so thank YOU for enabling me, darling! **hugs**