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The dove descending breaks the air
With flame of incandescent terror
Of which the tongues declare
The one discharge from sin and error.
The only hope, or else despair
    Lies in the choice of pyre or pyre-
    To be redeemed from fire by fire.

Who then devised the torment? Love.
Love is the unfamiliar Name
Behind the hands that wove
The intolerable shirt of flame
Which human power cannot remove.
    We only live, only suspire
    Consumed by either fire or fire.

 

T.S. Eliot, The Four Quartets, Little Gidding, IV

 

It is a day of endings, and in ending, we find the beginning. An opportunity for destruction, an opportunity for rebuilding. Tear down and burn off what doesn't work—reduce to a manageable number, a manageable size to restructure humanity for purposes of blending with the Other (although the Other doesn't know it yet, and the humans would be none too happy if they figured it out this soon, but everything in it's own good time, right?)

 

The stage is set, the play's just begun.
 

 

Fire or Fire

 

All that surrounds us is death. 

 

A kiss begins our tale—a promise. A question of life, followed by the promise—the certainty—of death. The inevitable.  A ship is retired, along with its Commander. It crew to be separated, flung about to the far corners of the 12 colonies—new jobs, new assignments, new life. Separate and apart, never together. A politician is given a death sentence—the disease which took her mother is also hers; it will be a much longer and slower conclusion that the sudden end enjoyed by the rest of her family. A young Captain makes a reluctant trip under orders, but he knows he won't be doing this much longer. It's only a day after all. One day. A day of letting go, of saying goodbye.

 

They never dreamed that the end would be all they had left.

 

The intolerable shirt of flame

 

Those who respond best at the end are those who have lived with desolation for days and years too numerous to count.  It was all burned off long ago:  parents, sisters, a brother, two sons lost, a fiancé, a forbidden attraction, love, purpose, meaning—all gone, all lost long before we got to this moment. So I suppose it's no surprise that those who have lost the most should be best suited to lead us into a world where we have nothing left. The learning curve is vertical, and only those who have made the climb already will be equipped to climb further still.

 

The girl who lived her life in loss and pain, she is better equipped to handle this than most. A cancer, a living breathing disease is what she is (or at least what she's been told)—she deals death. It is her gift. She fights because she knows nothing else—but today, there is nothing else to do. She gives, she loves, she fights, she sacrifices—little pieces of her heart being sliced out and dissected in the process. This is how we know she's not made entirely of stone. This is why we know she's flesh and blood, but even more than that, more than all of those things, she is fire.

 

A boy long forgotten—by friends and family alike, and most of all by himself—begins to come into his own. To gain coverts by challenging, to lead by submission, to take the mantle of the military and make it about anything but the military. It's a numbers game, but he's always been good at math. Logic is his religion, and today that's needed even more than prayer. Quick, decisive, brutal. Is it wrong to feel so alive here at the end of all things?

 

Who then devised this torment?

 

Love. That's what the cylons would say. Love of a solitary God, who demands perfection and justice (really, it's just a polite way of discussing revenge; the art of making oneself feel better by taking out aggression on those only ever so slightly worse. Humans did an excellent job of making creatures in their own image.)

 

Love is what the humans would say. Love for each other. For ancient deities and love for sameness. Love for solidarity, as long as we have something to unite against. And most of all, love of ourselves.

 

How interesting that Love will be the primary topic of discussion in this brave new world. And we'll see, over and over, that neither definition is right. It will be examined and dissembled in ways unimaginable. But that's exactly what this show is, you know. An existential Petri dish, stripped down and laid bare. Against the backdrop of extreme circumstances, for the purpose of taking ideas off the shelf one by one and playing with them. Watching how they react. Poking them with a stick to see if they squirm. Some would call that Fate; some would call it the agenda of a sadistic writer, and maybe it's both of those things. But when it's done well—when it's done well… Well, it becomes something else altogether. Something at once familiar and unrecognizable. A lens with which to examine our own world and our own hearts, strange trappings making it possible to do so. [It used to be that you needed a blue-skinned alien or some muppets to make that happen, but with this show we've turned a corner. In a world eons away, these folks are exactly like us. Therein lies the genius (regardless of the pigeons and poofs that come later—we'll deal with that, but don't let it diminish what came before.)]

 

The concept of Love is almost as fleeting and as elusive in this universe as Truth or Right. And it almost always comes about when it's not being discussed. The teasing banter of a brig greeting; the awkward hug between father and son at both having survived the day. The prayer for one dead soul among billions. If we talk about it, if we name it, it loses its power. It we try to dwell on it too much, if we try and quantify or define, we lose the moment altogether. That bafflement, that supreme and holy mystery, makes it both torment and perfection.

 

 

Love is the unfamiliar Name.

 

How do you measure loss? How do you rebuild and go on when all you've got left is nothing? By mixing lies and truth (hey, Leoben didn't invent the concept—he just makes more use of it than most.)

 

Truth: We need a reason to keep on living.

 

Lie: Earth is that reason. ("I know where it is.")

 

+++++++++

 

Lie:   "Don't know if you heard about Apollo…"

 

            "Right."

 

Truth: "…especially that of Lee Adama."

 

+++++++++++++

 

Truth: Every look shared between them when he comes back from the dead.

 

Lie: Every word spoken. (It's all distraction.)

 

 

Love doesn't roll off the tongue easily, and if it does, it's probably not the good stuff to begin with. Love is hard, and difficult, fraught with pain, with fear, with hardship. But that's exactly what makes it worthwhile. That's what we learn from this show. That's what we learn from Kara Thrace and Lee Adama.

 

They don't write songs about the ones that come easy.

 




The stage is set, the players have their parts. The end is our beginning, and this is going to be one helluva ride. I'm honored to be here with you, Shipper Nation, and I'm so looking forward to where we go from here.

 

 

Date: 2009-07-05 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rayruz.livejournal.com
You write all this pretty meta and remind me that... damnit... I need to be writing my own meta.

This is really beautiful, Bee. Um... way too pretty for words even. My favorite thing about watching the mini after the fact is the "how far they've come" effect. But I have to ask you "death. It is her gift." was the Buffy reference intentional or is that just my brain?

Date: 2009-07-05 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rayruz.livejournal.com
I will! I have it planned out and everything. I just... need to get to it. Since I have 2 big bangs I'm working on and some vids.

I wasn't really thinking about the finale when I watched the mini. Mostly because every time I watch the mini its with a BSG newbie and I bask in their enjoyment of it, and their "Whoa!" moments and all that good stuff. Although I had this twinge when my friend made a comment along the lines of "The lighting in the future sucks." And I'm like... you have no idea...

Date: 2009-07-05 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rayruz.livejournal.com
Well one of them is StWhC... for some reason sinfuldraconis OKd me to use it as a big bang fic... but I still have my OotB sequel.

My favorite moment with a newbie was in 33 (she didn't have time to sit through the mini) and she first realized Sharon was a cylon. It was amazing. *sigh*

And yeah... bad lighting. She was especially complaining about the helmet lights... I'm like... don't complain til you've seen the tube lighting from the original because that is truly craptastic.

Date: 2009-07-05 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosetteferaud.livejournal.com
Yay!!! Your meta!!!!

**goes to read it**

Date: 2009-07-05 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kategirasole.livejournal.com
BEE! Oh wow...oh my goodness...this was so lovely! You and Cosette really have gotten us off to a fabulous start. I was unable to get my thinky thoughts together for Cosette's post. Let's see if I can do any better today! Just a few things...

In a world eons away, these folks are exactly like us.
This struck a chord with me. I remember watching the miniseries, thinking, 'Oh wow...this is really neat. Their entire worlds have been destroyed, and they're trying to find a new home and....EARTH?!?! They're in OUR universe?"

It blew my mind. Needless to say, I had never watched any of the original series. This one drew me in right away. I have an odd obsession with post-apocalyptic or dystopian stories, so the plot piqued my interest right away. But the characters! They were what truly hooked me for good.

Love is hard, and difficult, fraught with pain, with fear, with hardship. But that's exactly what makes it worthwhile. That's what we learn from this show. That's what we learn from Kara Thrace and Lee Adama.
YES. I mean, you would've had to be BLIND to have missed the sparks between these two from the get-go. You learned as much (or maybe more) from what DIDN'T say as from what they did say...the looks, the history, etc. From the mini on, I wanted to know more about these two characters and when they were going to get together!

They don't write songs about the ones that come easy.
DAMN STRAIGHT.

Date: 2009-07-05 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosetteferaud.livejournal.com
Oh my goodness, Bee, all the whole meta is gorgeous but I think this is brilliant:

Truth: We need a reason to keep on living.
Lie: Earth is that reason. ("I know where it is.")

+++++++++

Lie: "Don't know if you heard about Apollo…"
"Right."
Truth: "…especially that of Lee Adama."

+++++++++++++

Truth: Every look shared between them when he comes back from the dead.
Lie: Every word spoken. (It's all distraction.)


Gaaah. I also believe this story is first a foremost a tale of love. Love is what is left when it seems everything is lost, uh? And what’s left after the End of the Worlds? Love can take countless forms, and this show explored many of them in such a poetic yet realistic way. And this is what captivated me from the very beginning, I think... The honesty of this show when it comes to deal with human relationships. Nothing is perfect, bright and shiny, but a (disturbing) shade of greys... As you point out, a mixture of lies and truths. And here is where lies the beauty of all of it, being Kara and Lee’s story a perfect mirror. Their story was complicated. Wrong. Painful. But at the same time genuine, undeniable. Beautifully and perfectly flawed :).

Love is hard, and difficult, fraught with pain, with fear, with hardship

And it is also hope and joy. Trust and faith. Respect and friendship.

That's what we learn from Kara Thrace and Lee Adama ;)

That was so *beautiful*, hon! Love every bit! <333

Date: 2009-07-05 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosetteferaud.livejournal.com
You know I always see the bright side of... everything ;)
But truth is... the difficulties were what made this story so darn epic.

Date: 2009-07-05 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elzed.livejournal.com
you pen such poetic meta, bee...

and i haven't had a chance to rewatch (yet! but I will try to catch up this week) but so much of what you say resonates.


also, I must say that the opening line of eliot ("the dove descending") did briefly bring pigeons to my mind...

BUT NO! I shall scrub that image away. Now.

Oh, the young, tentatively formed, almost innocent pilots of the end that is a beginning....

Date: 2009-07-06 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innibis.livejournal.com
I do love your meta Bee and I totally agree with you.:)

All things human are stripped to their purest form and only the barest of the bare essentials remain; material, physical, emotional. Morality goes to war with survival. We are shown the last moments of a little girl, about to be destroyed at the orders of our heroes. Right and wrong give way to the indifference of pragmatism and humans survive at the cost of their humanity.





Date: 2009-07-06 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innibis.livejournal.com
Bright and shiny futures are not meant for them, but their sacrifice and will to survive make us hope nonetheless that one day they'll get a break too

We hope. . . but then DOOOOOOOM!

Date: 2009-07-06 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eugis.livejournal.com
Aw, Bee, this is fantastic! I love reading your meta, you have such a beautiful way with words. I bow down to you, my friend. :D

I think this part is my favourite:

Truth: Every look shared between them when he comes back from the dead.
Lie: Every word spoken. (It's all distraction.)


Their story is so full of words unspoken and meaningful looks that carry everything they feel but can't accept. Their story is difficult, hard, painful, but it is also beautiful, genuine and human and that's what makes love worth fighting for. ♥

Date: 2009-07-06 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rdave1.livejournal.com
How appropriate is that epicness by T.S. Eliot?

Oh Bee, much I love your meta and hate you. Just kiddin', but you make me cry that's why.

I was reading your epicness and it reminded me of how much our pilots fought for from the beginning and got nothing in return. How far they had come but yet they were still to far away.

Truth: We need a reason to keep on living.



Lie: Earth is that reason. ("I know where it is.")



+++++++++



Lie: "Don't know if you heard about Apollo…"



"Right."



Truth: "…especially that of Lee Adama."



+++++++++++++



Truth: Every look shared between them when he comes back from the dead.



Lie: Every word spoken. (It's all distraction.)


This was my favorite part. So true! Oh pilots how you make me weep, for your missed opportuinites and a doomed ending written way before the beginning.

You are right, they don't write songs for the easy ones. We need to find a famous song writer, so they can write a song about our pilots. Then find a vid maker, get Jamie and Katee and make a vid for said song.

Yes, I know I'm crazy but so was Kara and Lee loved her for it.:)

You rock, Bee!

Date: 2009-07-07 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rdave1.livejournal.com
You didn't make me cry, it is just the fact that we did get all of these beautiful moments that never came to fruitation. All of that work for nothing. That is what makes me sad.

I was cleaning up some papers last night and found some thoughts I had after Daybreak I aired, it bought me to tears because I literally hit the nail in the head when I figured how it would end. Thanks god for crazy space magic.:)

I wonder who we could get to do the film version for the Smustrav, who would direct and produce, marketing, etc

That would be fun project:)

Date: 2009-07-06 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] latteaddict.livejournal.com
Very eloquent and poetic. You write such lovely descriptions.

So I suppose it's no surprise that those who have lost the most should be best suited to lead us into a world where we have nothing left. The learning curve is vertical, and only those who have made the climb already will be equipped to climb further still.

I feel this is where the promise was implied that if we hand over our hearts to these characters and struggle through the journey of loss and despair with them we'll be richly rewarded. I think if there was some clue that the show would end up far more focused on the personal loves and lives of the Cylons than the humans and that only the Cylon couples would get happy endings then I certainly wouldn't have allowed myself to be as thoroughly captivated by Kara and Lee's romantic love story and instead just embraced their individual journeys. It probably still wouldn't have been satisfying (let's face it, neither of them got their heart's desire) but at least the heartbreak would've been less.

Putting all the disappointment aside, the mini really was a perfect start to hook in K/L fans. Their relationship was already well established, we just didn't know much about it yet, and the hints of angst and blatant attraction and intense eye frakking made them irresistible. Plus, you know, teh pretty.

Date: 2009-07-06 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] csm37.livejournal.com
To borrow from the irrepressible Pali ... *flailing like an octopus*

Just. Wow. When you put your writing cap on you don't mess around! This was gorgeous Bee. I love the way you weave the knowledge of what we know is coming with how you describe the show, the interactions and pilots. Excuse me, PILOTS (they should always be in upper case)! What is left when you take away all hope? How do you measure loss? What becomes acceptable when you are a ragtag fleet/gang on the run? Why are you worthy of survival?

This post, with its motion and cadence, was fascinating but the part which resonated within was "those who respond best at the end are those who have lived with desolation for days and years too numerous to count." I never really thought about that ... looks like it wasn't just Kara who was being prepared for what was to come A vertical climb indeed.

The entire thing really was a tragedy from the get-go ... I just ignored the warning signs. Distracted by the unspoken between PILOTS, I guess.

Date: 2009-07-06 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shefcat.livejournal.com
Wow, Bee, you and Cosette really did kick this thing off with a bang.

Not sure what I can add at this point. My capacity for thinky thoughts has sort of hit a lowpoint.

But what stuck out at me from your commentary is this: the characters have been stripped bare of many things that meant the most to them--mostly family. And the learning curve is vertical. It was hard not to watch the mini through the prism of the finale. But when I think about the two points above, I just feel extremely sad, because if we accept the funkery of the finale, then not only is Kara "destined" to lead the remnants of humanity to earth, but Zak is destined to die as well. Because Kara has to be on the G in order to survive and the only way for that to happen is for Zak to die...

Gah. I'm hating that finale more and more, now.

Date: 2009-07-07 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shefcat.livejournal.com
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that I accepted the finale in any way, shape or form. Certainly it had its moments: there were some pretty spectacular shots, the music was awesome, the fight, etc., but you are right. It took a sharp left turn and then just kept on going...

I guess what I meant was, assuming that we accept the finale (which is what the writers--and actors--want us to do), then that means the end game was basically "get Hera to earth so that a new race of people can be formed that melds human and cylon." And "Kara as earth finder" is just part of an elaborate plot on the part of god/the gods to achieve this "simple" vision.

So, not only does Zak have to die to get her on the G, but really the entire human race *has* to be annihilated, because otherwise they would never "seek earth." Without the cylon attack, humans would just be happy to continue to live on the 12 colonies and would have never looked for earth.

The idea that the near extermination of a race of people is necessary to fulfill some twisted destiny as determined by unknown god or gods is complete bogus. And that is why I don't understand why some people are still lapping up the finale as a logical conclusion to what went before.

I have ranted a bunch on the finale and don't really need to go on here since this is supposed to be a discussion of the mini. I only bring it up again because the promises laid out in mini are so far afield of what was delivered at the end. And I'm not just talking the characters and how they were shafted. I'm talking about the whole effing premise.

Seeing the mini again has only underscored that in my mind, which is why I chose to post on the subject.
Edited Date: 2009-07-07 12:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-06 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isla-verdad.livejournal.com
Bee, I love your thinky thoughts. Keep thinking them - your meta is the best! Thanks for putting into words what is swirling incoherently in my head. I'll just sit back and let you do all the hard work, mmmkay? :)

Date: 2009-07-06 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somewhereapart.livejournal.com
How is it that your meta takes the epicness of Pilots and makes them seem *even more epic*??? And you write just beautifully. Like many others, the thing that stuck out for me was the idea that those who handled the end best were those who had already been through periods of sufffering. I'd never thought of it that way, but it is so true. All our heros had already been through dark days.

Date: 2009-07-07 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellychameleon3.livejournal.com
Ah Bee, this is lovely.

and this...

Truth: Every look shared between them when he comes back from the dead.

Lie: Every word spoken. (It's all distraction.)


....is just completely and totally Pilots in a nutshell. *pantomimes being trapped in a nutshell* :P

Rewatching the mini....it was right there, Pilots were set up from the very beginning, from the first moment we saw them lay eyes on each other....they were meant to be. *sigh*

Date: 2009-07-07 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bonita-chica71.livejournal.com
Beautiful, just beautiful Bee. :)

Date: 2009-07-10 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aurora-0811.livejournal.com
Words kind of fail me at the moment. I'm just stunned by the beauty of your words. This was absolutely lovely to read.

Love doesn't roll off the tongue easily, and if it does, it's probably not the good stuff to begin with. Love is hard, and difficult, fraught with pain, with fear, with hardship. But that's exactly what makes it worthwhile. That's what we learn from this show. That's what we learn from Kara Thrace and Lee Adama.

They don't write songs about the ones that come easy.


I love how you have completely summed up exactly what we learned from Kara and Lee. This was the point! Love doesn't come easy and for all that they were going to go after day 1, they would always have each other to bring them back to center. That means something, THAT is the power of their relationship and it was beautiful. *sigh*

Thanks for sharing this fantastic meta. :)

Date: 2009-07-18 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thrace-adama.livejournal.com
I apologize that this is so very late in coming, Bee, but I'm finally catching up with the rewatch meta, so here I am. I only hope I'll stay on track for the rest of the ride. :)

As usual, your words are beautiful and evoke such lovely images of the characters and the show I fell so hard for two years ago.

Love is hard, and difficult, fraught with pain, with fear, with hardship. But that's exactly what makes it worthwhile. That's what we learn from this show. That's what we learn from Kara Thrace and Lee Adama.

Yes, this. No question their love was ever so real, and I can't wait to experience their journey's beginnings all over again.

And it's sooo funny you used the line "They don't write songs about the ones that come easy." I actually used that very same quote of Logan's in my response to Cosette's meta for the mini! Because if Kara and Lee's story doesn't prove that, I don't know what would.

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