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Kara: once you grew up, did you ever go looking for your dad?

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Lee: Growing up, what was your best friend like? (Did you have one, or were you always a loner?)

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Kara & Lee: Back when there was coffee, how much did you drink every day?

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scifishipper.livejournal.com

Okay, Lee, a tough question for you: What in the heck happened at Zak's funeral between you and your dad and later Kara?

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Kara: Tell me a good memory you have with your mom.

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scifishipper.livejournal.com

*has just dodged a punch to the face*

:P

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Lee: What would you have done if Kara had died instead of Kendra?

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Kara: Were you really engaged to Zak?

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Lee: why in the worlds did you leave Kara with Baltar on the dance floor, that Colonial Day?

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Kara: what did you do with the picture of you, Zak and Lee? Did you keep it tucked away as usual when you moved to New Caprica, or did you get rid of it because you couldn't bear to look at it anymore?

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Kara: when was the last time you'd been at your Delphi apartment or planetside at all before the attacks?

Edited Date: 2012-03-13 03:21 pm (UTC)

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Lee: are you a cat person or a dog person?

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if I may add to this: what made you say yes, if you were in fact engaged? (disregard if you weren't)

Edited Date: 2012-03-13 03:24 pm (UTC)

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Kara: where did you find the dress you wore on Colonial Day? Was it something you already owned and were keeping handy for any formal parties that would've been held for Galactica's decommissioning, or did you get it after the attacks?

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Lee: were you ever a smoker? Or did you only smoke socially?

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Lee and Kara: what was it like the next time the two of you met again, after that night on the table?

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Oooh, I like this question. I like to imagine Lee's teenage years as quietly rebellious--not to anyone's face, just some quietly self-destructive behavior that helped him carve out a tiny sphere of autonomy. Smoking might be a little bit too pleasurable a form of rebellion for him, though?

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I'd be interested in what you guys think about this one.

On the "they were engaged" side = I can see Kara wanting to belong to someone, be part of a family. At *least* before Lee, it seems like she really thought she loved him. She also has a pronounced penchant for self-sacrifice; Zak was wounded inside--not unlike Lee--and she could have thought he needed her, could have liked it.

On the "they weren't engaged" side = Well. What she says to Lee is, "But I passed him... Because he and I... because I felt something and I let that get in the way of doing my job. And I couldn't fail him."

It's fishy as hell. That's the kind of thing you do out of pity, for one thing. "I couldn't fail him"--in a relationship that was otherwise equal, you could.

That other two parts--"because he and I... because *I*..." It's an odd correction. She can't bring herself to say "Because he and I" ANYTHING--loved each other, whatever. Why not? Did they feel too different things? One reason for not saying "because he and I felt something" is that she's not sure he did, anymore, by the time he died. (If she dumped him, he was too angry?) But it's also plausible that it was all just ugly and complicated: "Because he and I needed each other and I was afraid he'd leave me if I failed him."

If she and Zak broke up before he died, it adds an extra level of explanation to why she married Sam. It might seem to Kara that Zak was punished for her feelings for Lee.

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She also stutters through her explanation to Adama and says, "because I made a mistake." Which I've always read to be not passing him but something to do with Lee - something that then made her feel she needed to pass him.

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Written for epics just now... http://bsg-epics.livejournal.com/153774.html?thread=6382510#t6382510

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I always put the stumbled explanation down to Kara's extreme difficulty with actually admitting anything emotional, especially a secret that she's held on to for years. And especially to Lee, who is the one she does in fact love.

The phrasing mid-switch didn't bother me at first, because I thought Kara started with the "I felt something" as a way of making it clear that the blame is all on her for this one, not Zak - at least that's what she thinks. But this makes a lot of sense to me, too - I've always believed that Kara's guilt over her feelings for Lee (and they make it pretty obvious, with the photograph in the locker behind her even as she makes her decision and tells the lie) did play a part in her decision to pass Zak, and this fits.

If she and Zak broke up before he died, it adds an extra level of explanation to why she married Sam. It might seem to Kara that Zak was punished for her feelings for Lee.

YES to this.

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well, it is self-destructive, and he smoked that last stogie like someone who very much knew his way around the mechanics of it. Inexperienced smokers don't hold their cigarettes or cigars with such ease, in my experience.

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I think it was both, really. But yeah, Kara doesn't seem like she'd separate them in her head.

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I think when she was younger she probably looked for him everywhere, in the sense that she'd always expect to see his name pop up in a newspaper or some kind of clipping or maybe even opened up a phonebook. As she got older, though, I think she grew angrier about it all, while simultaneously growing less naive, and never expected to find him.

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It's my head!canon that Lee never had many friends. I'm not really sure why, I just always got that sort of vibe from him. He had Zak and maybe a friend or two, but no one ever really close for any long periods of time (which is also why in my head!canon, he and Kara became friends while she was dating Zak--despite the dining room table incident between them--because she became an easy friend by proxy of his brother's relationship).

He was always more focused on grades and directing his life towards the academy and war college from an earlier age because of his father, and other things got pushed to the side. Even though we see Lee buck the rules sometimes in big ways in the show...I think he was generally totally by the rules normally, like on Atlantia, which may have also hindered his ability to make friends in his adult life while in the fleet. He's confident in his abilities in the cockpit and other military/academic areas, but I think it's all in compensation for how much he lacks it in his private life. Did we even see Lee being close with anyone on the show besides Kara and Dee? He's sort of acquaintances with everyone because of work/Galactica but nothing else despite living so closely with them.

Edited Date: 2012-03-13 07:11 pm (UTC)

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That's true. Celebratory cigars... I don't know, this goes along with my caffeine question--it does feel like Lee might have a bit of an addictive personality? He tries to seem to have it so together--this would be a good way, in fics, of showing the strains/cracks. Smoking behind the gym, tossing back six cups of coffee a day, playing it cool all the while...

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