DPP: Starbuck and Apollo

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

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Starbuck vs. Kara
 
 
 
Apollo vs. Lee
 
 
 
This is a fic trope that pops up more occasionally.  Usually in reference to the duality between Kara and Starbuck, her alter-ego or mask. 
 
Personally, I think that the mask vs. the protected person inside is more true for Kara because Starbuck is a more outrageous personality.  Lee and Apollo seem more integrated for him.  Although I’ve always thought that his relationship with Dee was based on her fascination with Apollo and not the very real and more damaged person underneath.

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[anamarya.livejournal.com]

Although I’ve always thought that his relationship with Dee was based on her fascination with Apollo and not the very real and more damaged person underneath.

totally there with you. I always thought that she loved Apollo very-very much but sometimes didn't like Lee, or at least some parts of him. For me the moment that she leaves him is an indicator of that and not of other things that she is sometimes accused of.

Starbuck is a more outrageous personality

yes, it is. and for us is even more so because unlike the people from the BSG universe we are still consumed by the whole girl/boy differences.

[word-vomity.livejournal.com]

Agreed about Dee's fascination with his "Apollo" side. Even just before her suicide, she's blowing smoke up his ass about how proud of him she is for being the leader and reveling in his glorious Apollodom. And that's the LAST FEELING SHE WANTS TO HOLD ONTO BEFORE ENDING HER LIFE, not his love of her, but her fangirl squee over him.

And I think that is why their relationship rubs me wrong. Not because I dislike her, but because I never felt like it was based the right things. But more so on her hero worship and his deep desire to be loved allowing him to accept her awe and adoration in lieu of that most basis love of who he truly was at heart. She just couldn't love him for his flaws the way Kara could.

But maybe that is why the Quad of Doom was what it was. Apollo got Dee. Starbuck got Sam. Kara and Lee had each other. Or not . . .

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

But maybe that is why the Quad of Doom was what it was. Apollo got Dee. Starbuck got Sam. Kara and Lee had each other. Or not . . .

never thought of it like this, but yes.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I second this. Awesome observation. : )

[word-vomity.livejournal.com]

I was bound to accidentally stumble upon one eventually! ;P

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

You done good, kid. ; )

[wicked-sassy.livejournal.com]

Apollo got Dee. Starbuck got Sam. Kara and Lee had each other. Or not...

Thirded--that just clicked in my brain and it really, really makes sense.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

But maybe that is why the Quad of Doom was what it was. Apollo got Dee. Starbuck got Sam. Kara and Lee had each other. Or not . . .

Or not... :(

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

And I've always thought that if they had played up the fact that Dee was in love with Apollo but hardly knew what to do with the real man underneath, why she stayed and why she left when she did would have made so much more sense.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

It's the only explanation that makes sense. Her actions are not very coherent otherwise.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I very much agree with this thread. And there's also the Papadama transferrence issues (ie, she thought she was marrying his dad whom she clearly adored). But unfortunately, the apple she was hoping for fell much farther from the tree than she realized and ergo, Dee= :(

[word-vomity.livejournal.com]

Papadama transference issues

Oh, hardcore all the way! She definitely could have fallen in love with a younger version of Bill, but our Leland was just not that.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

But unfortunately, the apple she was hoping for fell much farther from the tree than she realized and ergo, Dee= :(

all that i can say is LOL.

sorry, but this part just made me laugh. especially the "ergo" part.
on a more serious note - yes, she probably saw just the common parts in the two men - the parts that Zak was speaking of in that flashback, but realized that the differences were so big and so.... important a little too late.

and now i'm sad. it's always happening when I think too much of Dee. she was a really sad character at the end.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

HA! I always bring in the ergo when I need some insta!funny. Reminds me of that completely ridiculous scene in the secon Matrix movie when every other word is "ergo."

Pure comic gold, I say. ; )



Her fate was terribly sad. And I really loved her character (moreso in the beginning than at the end, but she won me back over at the very last.) Gah! So tragic. the first bit of fic I ever wrote was about her, in fact. Her story is just so incredibly tragic.

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

I'm going to be saying "ergo" in a Keanu voice all night now. hee.

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

DO IT!

(ps-- ch6 part 1 is up. *g*)

[kdbleu.livejournal.com]

And I just commented. :)

[workerbee73.livejournal.com]

I saw! And thank you! :D

[winegums.livejournal.com]

Oh, SO MANY PapAdama transference issues. She adores Bill, and that's absolutely understandable considering she had her own Daddy Issues on joining the military - but it was never more apparent than in Exodus, when she told him he had to go on with the Fleet to honour his father's memory.

I loved Dee, but her story is just such a sad one by the end.

[winegums.livejournal.com]

I always thought that it was apparent, especially when she's giving him pep talks - she nearly always, if not actually always, refers to him as Apollo instead of using his given name. We don't need to be hit over the head with the signs, because they're there for anyone to see if they're paying attention. (unfortunately, it seems that a lot of people.....don't.)

She's very, very taken with that persona - who wouldn't be? - but it didn't always make for a very good understanding of the man and not the CAG.

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

She's very, very taken with that persona - who wouldn't be?

actually i think that she would have been a very nice addition to the fandom.

[winegums.livejournal.com]

lol yes!

(wonder if she'd have been a pilotshipper though)

[callmeonetrack.livejournal.com]

Maybe she would've written a ton of Mary Sue/self-insert fic? ;)

[anamarya.livejournal.com]

Well, that is a risk but I believe that we would have managed to turn her around to our way of thinking.